Monday, September 29, 2008

Photos: Model Kolkata-class destroyer with Brahmos for Russian minister + Path cleared for hypersonic BrahMos-II project report

The first photo shows BrahMos MD Dr A Sivathanu Pillai presenting Russian Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov with a model Kolkata-class (Project 15A) guided missile destroyer with 16 BrahMos cruise missile in the vertical configuration. All of these photos were during Serdyukov's visit to the BrahMos complex this evening.

Incidentally, the Inter Governmental Commission meeting that was held earlier today, has given clearance to constitute a working group to evolve the project report for the Hypersonic BrahMos –II missile.

Photos Courtesy Ministry of Defence

46 comments :

left wing nut job said...

Apparently, someone can't spell "weaponry" and spells it as "weaponary" :)

Also, the Kolkata doesn't look like it will have much low observable features judging by the superstructure on the gold model ship. Basically an incremental improvement on the Delhis by adding Brahmos. Kind of disappointing for a ship that's coming out over a decade after the first Delhi.

Prasun K Sengupta said...

Photos 1 & 4 only display REPRESENTATIVE scale-models of the Project 15A Kolkata-class DDG. The DEFINITIVE design of the DDG, whenever showcased as a scale-model, will show the 16-cell BrahMos UVLM along with a 32-cell UVLM for the Barak-2 below the bridge, and another 32-cell UVLM for the Barak-2 aft of the helicopter deck, along with the mast-mounted EL/M-2248 MF-STAR radar. Computer-generated drawings of the definitive design of the Project 15A DDG as well as the Integrated Aircraft Carrier were released last year and I them both in my possession.

Prasun K Sengupta said...

I also took photos during the IDELF 2008 exhibition in Moscow that was held between August 20 and 24, of the DEFINITIVE scale-model of the second batch of three Project 1135.6 FFGs now being built by Yantar Shipyard JSC in Kaliningrad. The scale-model was displayed by BrahMos Aerospace for the first time at this expo and shows the forward-mounted 8-cell BrahMos UVLM (instead of the Club-M). Incidentally, BrahMos Aerospace also displayed for the first time a belly-mounted BrahMos on the Su-35.

Anonymous said...

btw, any design details on the brahmos 2? Or is it still on the drawing board?

Anonymous said...

damn that sivanathu oillai looks worse than any ape!

Anonymous said...

damn that sivanathu pillai looks worse than any ape!

Anonymous said...

damn that sivanathu pillai looks worse than any ape!

Prasun K Sengupta said...

To Anon@11.40PM: At least he is visible and is priveleged enough to be in the company of VVIPs. What about you? You are not only nameless, but also faceless and brainless. You don't even exist as a member of the homo sapiens species, judging by your unwarranted outburst. Maybe you're from the homo erectus era. Is that why you're so jealous?

Anonymous said...

to prasun

i want to know that r there three addidional frigates on order to russia after current order of 3 advanced talwar class.

our ship and submarine building process is very very slow

look at our air defence ship and it shows no progress

hindustan shipyard in vishakhapattnam sitting idle has no orders from navy even if this shipyard can b used for making frigates ,subs

thats v have to import ships from abroad

look at UK how fast they r producing their 65000 ton aircraft carrier and type 45 destroyer
compared to our P15A and v r producing only 3 of them and even that at very slow speed

v change the design of ship after every three ships of that class and thats creats problems

Anonymous said...

Money is the only thing that can speed up work. As for our money, it is stuck in imports. Having said that, navy is the probably the most indigenous of the three services.

Pity we dont prioritize our funding and plan with a long term vision...

BENGAL UNDER ATTACK said...

From one Sengupta to another.

China, historically has been a land power, barring the 15th century dynasty of Zeng He in 15th century, when China had famed treasure fleets. Then, it was more for explorations rather than expansions or even guarding any lines. As threat of invasion from north increased, China quickly abandoned its oceangoing enterprises – considering them to be expensive.

However 21st century is panning out quite the opposite. China has found itself increasingly dependant on resources and markets accessible only via maritime routes. Where US and Japan are dominant naval powers, China is stepping up its naval capabilities quite dramatically. Chinese navy is seeking to project powers not only throughout East and South China seas but also to Indian Ocean basin and beyond, to West Africa and Latin America.

By 2015 China is expected to have six Jin-class submarines capable of firing the JL2 ballistic nuclear missile that could threaten both the western and eastern American seaboards acting as deterrent to any US intervention if Taiwan or other areas erupted in conflict.

China’s nuclear attack submarine force is expanding “quite considerably” with six T93 hunter killers and more than a dozen Kilo class boats.

Fast attack craft, each carrying eight anti-ship missiles, are to increase from 40 to 100 giving the navy “a considerable capability. There had been a major build up of assault ships including 30 large tank landing craft that would allow long range operations.

2009 – Chinese navy pilots will begin training for aircraft carrier operations, that are expected to become operational early next decade.

With Pakistan too building better class of submarines and Gwadar, Coco islands etc forming a bead of pearls to choke India, what are India’s options and what is it doing in countering this? Gorshkov continues to be an embarrassment.

The analysts, from Jane’s Information Group, believe that the Chinese Communist Party can only continue to rule the country if it maintains economic growth at more than 10 per cent. It is already investing heavily in Africa for food and natural resources but this could lead to conflict with India with the trade route that crosses the Indian Ocean.

Are we ready for this future conflict?

Mr.White said...

The model of warships given to the foreign dignitaries as a memento never has all the usual weaponry onboard the ship. It usually shows the basic model of the class. So you cant decide the complete structure with its model.


And the so called "Ape" is responsible for taking India among the nations who produce missiles indigenously.

Our ADS has no improvement??? Who said?? The keel of ADS is scheduled to be laid in the month of December. We were looking for a high tensile steel from Russia initially. But now the SAIL has produced the required steel with 6 times harder than the usual ship building steels. Check out the 29/9 edition of The Hindu for proof.

Anonymous said...

Prasun, can you contribute the photos you have taken to Wiki commons. These photos can be used in various articles in Wikipedia.

Sid said...

Wasn't this Pillai guy gonna get retired 2-3 years back and got extension for 1-2 years when someone from top intervened.

I mean he is in Gov service where one is not allowed to hold post for "long" periods.

Also in Russian inventory, air-launched version of PJ10 already exists. Why it it taking so long to produce the same for MKI?

-Sid

Anonymous said...

prasun seems 2 b getting so uptide of me calling Pillai an ape... i repeat i said he only "looks" like one, not behaves like one. Only Prasun qualifies for that.

Anonymous said...

N i only pressed "publish your comment" to thet "ape comment" 1 time, but it has appeared 3 times, the first time with wrong spelling!!!! I bet you I only pressed one time. techi glitch with blogger

Anonymous said...

why those russians in the first photo are looking so stern?

Anonymous said...

chinese shipbuilding process is way faster than ours

india produced only three p17 frigates during this decade

talwar class is imported

v made three destroyers last decade and it will b next 15 years before v get p15a since lasr destroyer was inducted

p17 is too late take 8 years to build just think how much time "ads" will take

forget about p17a not available untill 2017

no submaine this decade

ads is late not available till 2015

this shows our shipbuilding capability

Anonymous said...

and v call russian shipyars cash starved without ever looking the condition of our own shipyards where they stand

Anonymous said...

anuun 11:40 .He is Mr. Siva Thanu pillai! Kindly give respect to such people!

Prasun K Sengupta said...

To: BENGAL UNDER ATTACK & Anon@1.48PM: You all will get yourt answers at http://trishulgroup.blogspot.com/
Cheers!

Anonymous said...

to sengupta

v better spend some money on
buying tu22m3 than MRCA cuz its a potent weapon

most potent system v have against pakis is brahmos

and air launched brahmos is capable of destroying modern surface ships and their ADVANCED SAM systems

if v can buy some around 70 tu22m3
use 20 of them as spare providing aircraft

it will b good and arm them with brahmos and each aircraft can carry 8 brahmos and future hypersonic brahmos

brahmos and tu22m3 r capable of defeating any chinese surface vessel along with its s300 SAM
system

and tu22m3 has a range over 7000km
and it is enough to protect indian ocean

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Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

hey prasun can u rell me that r the tu142 being upgraded or not

and how many of tu142 were upgraded

Prasun K Sengupta said...

To Anon@12.25AM: The eight Tu-142Ms have been and are again being refurbished to extend their respective technical service lives. Only 1 Tu-142M has to date been fitted with ELTA's EL/M-2022(V)2 belly-mounted search radar. This very aircraft will be used as the airborne testbed for carrying out launch/firing trials of the air-launched variant of the BrahMos. Four such missiles (two on each twin-carriage pylons) will be carried by this Tu-142M.

Anonymous said...

and what about other tu142s

Anonymous said...

r other tu142 not being not upgrade
they have completed only 20 years and still hav 15 years of life

Prasun K Sengupta said...

To Anon@12.08AM: I' not going to spend a single paisa of MY money into either the Tu-22M3, or any M-MRCA, or the BrahMos. I never said I wanted to buy them. But I guess you mistook me for the Hon A K Antony, RM.

Anonymous said...

u r right

Anonymous said...

Only 1 Tu-142M has to date been fitted with ELTA's EL/M-2022(V)2 belly-mounted search radar.
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how the ELTA's EL/M-2022(V)2 compares with apy10 radar in p8

Prasun K Sengupta said...

The EL/M-2022(V)2 is comparable in performance to the APY-10 but the crucial difference is that with the ELTA radar the Indian Navy has access to the source codes to enable it to undertake fire-control operations and over-the-horizon targetting with ANY anti-ship cruise missiles that the Navy may want. But this privilege is NOT available with the APY-10. On the P-8I, only the APY-10/AGM-84L Harpoon configuration is permitted.
With regard to the Tu-142M, I wish the Navy acquired more of them in the mid-1990s. They were available for a song and once when I went to Magadan in the mid-1990s the base commander of one of the air bases in Russia's Far East himself wanted to dispose off about 10 such aircraft on the spot, provided fair financial compensation was paid! If the Navy could have laid its hands on these airframes, they could have been customised to have a module inserted into the fuselage and then they could have been equipped with either THALES' AMASCOS or EADS' FITS mission management system. This can also be done with the Navy's existing 8 Tu-142Ms. But special care needs to be taken of such upgraded airframes since even now the aircraft has to be air-conditioned for up to six hours continuously by pumping in cool air via ground power units.

By the way, do check out the Project 15A & Project 1135.6 Batch 2 photos at http://trishulgroup.blogspot.com/2008/09/project-15a-ddg-detailed.html

Prasun K Sengupta said...

TO BENGAL UNDER ATTACK@11.32AM: When comparing the force levels of both China and India one needs to bear in mind that the PLA Navy and Air Force are primarily Taiwan- and Japan-centric in terms of their immediate threat perceptions. Therefore, the bulk of their deployed assets are in southeast and northeast China (this being also to keep a weary eye toward the Korean Peninsula). Having said that, if the PRC maintains the momentum of improving its rail/road/air transportation logistics infrastructure throughout the Tibet Autonomnous Region then within a decade India will have a formidable threat scenario to contend with all the way from Turtuk in J & K all the way to the China-India-Bhutan trijunction from a neighbour with the intent and capability to engage in high-intensity but limited air-land campaigns. With regard to naval expeditionary warfare and maritime force projection the PLA Navy has a distinct edge over India now but this might remains focussed against Taiwan. I do not foreseee such an expeditionary forces entering the Bay of Bengal or Indian Ocean via the Malacca, Sunda or Lomkok Straits in the near future. But the PLA Navy's undersea warfare capabilities are formidable as it has a growing fleet of nuclear-powered SSNs. And up to four of their new-generation DDGs (Nos 115, 116, 170 and 171) are already equipped with long-range surface-to-air missiles and can also launch the 300km-range C-602 anti-ship cruise missile. Hope this helps you.

Anonymous said...

prasun thanks for u r response

what about other 7 tu142s. r being upgraded

tu142 has 16 hours of flight endurance compared to only 4 hours of p8I

tu142 can carry upto 8 brahmos
and how many harpooons can b carried by p8i

Anonymous said...

to prasun for u r comment--

The EL/M-2022(V)2 is comparable in performance to the APY-10 but the crucial difference is that with the ELTA radar the Indian Navy has access to the source codes to enable it to undertake fire-control operations and over-the-horizon targetting with ANY anti-ship cruise missiles that the Navy may want. But this privilege is NOT available with the APY-10. On the P-8I, only the APY-10/AGM-84L Harpoon configuration is permitted.
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if v do not have access to codes y v r buuying this aircraft just like US refused to provide source codes of JSF to UK and UK threatened to pull out of JSF unless source codes r provided

cuz the radar can b made non functional at any time by USA

tu142 har 16 hours of endurance
and p8I has only 4 hours of endurance

tu142 can carry upto 8 brahmos and how many harpoons p8i can carry

USA never sells their elctronic warfare systems so which system they r providing us

israel provided us their latest 2022A RADAR AND ELINT,COMINT system for tu142

and how does TU142 ARMED WITH ISRAELI ELECTRONICS COMPARED TO
P8I

will US provide the SOURCE CODES FOR APG79 RADAR FOR MRCA

and y does this aircraft COCTS too much if it is inferior

BENGAL UNDER ATTACK said...

@Prasun - Thanks

Prasun K Sengupta said...

To Anon@7.58AM: I wish the other 7 too were subjected to a stepped life-extension programme, but for the moment they are not. The upgraded Tu-142MSD that was first unveilled in Russia during the Gidroaviasalon exposition in Taganrog showed a model of the aircraft with eight Kh-35 Uran-E missiles, not eight BrahMos. As BrahMos is much heavier than the Kh-35E, the Indian Tu-142Ms will each carry four BrahMos on board.

To Anon@8.08AM: The US will NEVER provide source codes to ANYBODY, not to India, not to the UK, and not to Israel. That's why all these countries have no choice but to develop their own airborne multi-mode radars like the MMR, Caesar and Seaspray 7000e, and EL/M-2032 & EL/M-2052 & EL/M-2022(V)2..

Anonymous said...

to sengupra

The US will NEVER provide source codes to ANYBODY, not to India, not to the UK, and not to Israel. That's why all these countries have no choice but to develop their own airborne multi-mode radars like the MMR, Caesar and Seaspray 7000e, and EL/M-2032 & EL/M-2052 & EL/M-2022(V)2..
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then y v r buying P8I if other cheaper options r available

Anonymous said...

US are selfish ducks

Anonymous said...

please ask samsung whether it will provide source code of the micro controllers to the customers of their washing machines! source code is the key to the performance of the RADAR to which the hardware is tuned or voce versa.source code is only needed for mating newer weapon systems! when we are happily paying the israelis and the ruskies ,pay few more billions for that extra piece of code.We are being taken for roller coaster ride!

Anonymous said...

simple fact is that if US can't share the source codes for APY10
radar and it doesn't sell the electronic warfare systems

what is the need to buy P8I

and what about the source codes
for APG79 will v ever get those
if not what is the need to buy f18

just like UK refused to buy if source codes r not shared with them

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