Friday, October 17, 2008

EXCLUSIVE: Veterans' appeal to Sonia Gandhi

Former Vice Chief of Army Staff Lt Gen Vijay Oberoi will head a delegation of senior military veterans to meet UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi at 1400HRS on October 18. Headlines Today got a copy of the 28-page presentation that will be made to her by Gen Oberoi, a report is on air. Following is the appeal that will made to Sonia Gandhi during the interaction.


On behalf of the Indian Ex-servicemen League (IESL) and other military veterans, I thank you, Mrs. Gandhi, for taking time out from your extremely busy schedule to listen to the viewpoint of all military veterans of the country, whose numbers are in the region of over 4.5 million or 45 lacs. I am Lt Gen Vijay Oberoi. I had retired as the Vice Chief of Army Staff about seven years back.

Since Independence, there has been steady erosion in the status and emoluments of the Indian Military, but the recommendations of the Sixth Central Pay Commission (6th CPC) are so disastrous that there is a major uproar by the military against the injustice done to them. This anger and a sense of frustration are across the board, in all ranks and amongst both serving personnel and the veterans.

We, the military veterans, want that the bias against the military comes to an end, so that the nation, whom we all love, is both secure and prosperous. This can only be done if our viewpoint is understood by you, as you in your own right and as the head of the biggest political party of the nation, have a great say in the affairs of the nation. You have also always displayed a commitment to the best interests of the nation and would undoubtedly be able to prevail on the government to give the military their legitimate and well earned dues.

The armed forces constitute the biggest segment of government servants, as well as the biggest chunk of retired personnel. Their conditions of service are also unique and have no comparison with any other segment of the government. Yet, the government did not permit any representation from the military in any of the pay commissions. When there was furore amongst the serving and retired personnel of the military, a review committee was appointed, but again without any military representation. How strange, in a nation where the military has always risen to the occasion and has not flinched from the most difficult tasks, even sacrificing their lives for the nation, on a day to day basis?

Is the military of this nation a pariah that they have to be kept isolated when their own emoluments are being decided?

Before we hand over our projections, I would like to give you an overview of the main issues that are weighing so heavily on us that we have had to take recourse to public demonstrations to project our just case, which is a major departure from the military norms which we the veterans have always followed. Despite this compulsion, we have done so in a gentlemanly manner as befits the military, but if our voice is not heard, it may not be possible for us to restrain our more fiery comrades, who really feel cheated and are not willing to accept an arrangement where the military continues to be down graded.

Let me give you a few examples:

* Both serving personnel and veterans have been short charged in relation to their 'status', 'emoluments' and 'compensation' for an extremely harsh working environment. These are briefly elaborated:

Status. At each successive level, from a soldier (jawan) to a lieutenant general, the status of all military personnel has been brought down by the 6th CPC, by lowering their Pay Bands as well as Status Pay, when compared to the civil government officials in all classes,as can be seen on the slide. If morale of the military is to be maintained and the best and the brightest are to be inducted in the military, then the status of all military personnel must be restored to at least the current levels, although justice demands that they be restored at the levels as had existed when the nation achieved its independence. 'Izzat' is extremely important in a hierarchical organization like the military. This must never be eroded, merely to please the bureaucrats, technocrats or others of the same ilk.

Emoluments. Despite repeated reiteration, including by the Service Chiefs, that the conditions of service of military personnel have nothing in common with other government servants, at each stage an artificial relativity has been created. This completely ignores three important facts, viz. that promotions in the military are much slower than all other government cadres; the number of ranks in the military are much more; and to maintain the youthful profile of the military, the bulk of officers and jawans have to leave the service at younger ages. Consequently, no relativity is possible, as it will always be at the expense of military personnel. The answer lies in basing relativity only on the length of service and no other considerations.

Compensation. After decades, compensation for the extremely harsh conditions of service has been sanctioned, as the Military Service Pay (MSP), but with a number of lacunae. MSP is neither pay nor an allowance, but is over and above all pay and allowances, as an additive to all emoluments The lacunae are as under:

* MSP has been carved out of the pay of personnel, which defeats the very purpose of having an MSP;

* It is a lump sum dispensation, Instead of being a percentage of pay at each successive rank, i.e. approximately 30 to 50 per cent of pay, depending on rank;

* The MSP must be authorised to all ranks and not be confined only up to the rank of brigadier;

* MSP has been recommended to come in to effect prospectively. This is incorrect as the conditions of service on 01 – 01 – 2006 were the same as they are now, if not worse.

* The ratio between the MSP authorised to PBOR and officers must be brought closer, in favour of PBOR.

Another issue, which affects only a small section of the military, but which is exceedingly important is the injustice meted out to the war disabled personnel, who need to be given maximum support. The distinction between war disabled personnel and those disabled for other reasons has not been understood or appreciated at all by the members of the 6th CPC. The following points merit consideration:

War disabled personnel need to be considered at the same level as those who sacrifice their lives on the battlefield. Just as there is a distinction between those who are killed in battle and those who die on account of other reasons, like ill health, accidents and so on, a similar distinction must be there between war disabled and those disabled by other causes. War disability/ ordinary disability allowances must accordingly be in the ratio of 5:2 in favour of the war disabled, as was the case up to the Fourth Pay Commission. Thereafter, the ratio was reduced to 2:1 and now the 6th CPC has brought the two categories at par. This is obviously incorrect, uncaring of sacrifices made in war and warlike conditions, and again displays a lack of knowledge about the military.

While the next of kin of those killed in war or warlike situations have been correctly granted ex-gratia grants, the war disabled have again been ignored and have not been given anything. If this sorry state is accepted, who will go into battle, knowing that if he is disabled, he will live in penury throughout his/her life? This must not be permitted under any circumstances.

The following issues pertain exclusively to the military veterans:

One Rank One Pension (OROP). Pension is a social security. Military men legally hold their rank even after retirement. Rank wise similarity of pension must therefore be maintained, irrespective of their date of retirement. The issue has been under consideration since 1984. It had even attracted reference in the Presidential Address in the Parliament in 2004 and even in Manifestoes of all mainstream political parties, including your party. But this has not yet been implemented. The recommendation of the 6th CPC has reneged on this declared guiding principle of the government. No responsible person has ever said that the demand is either unjustified or unreasonable. The financial effect of OROP was officially estimated at only Rs. 600 crores per annum in 2004, as per the records of a parliamentary committee which had examined the issue. A 'One Time Increase' was granted to only soldiers in 1992, The military veterans call on the government to honour its long-standing promise.

Pension of Soldiers Reduced by 35 Per Cent Compared to Civilians. Prior to the Sixth Pay Commission, pension of the PBOR was calculated on the top of the pay scale to partially compensate them for early retirement. Now both the civilian as well as the soldier would be given 50 per cent of the last pay drawn as pension. This coupled with abolition of weightage factor means a loss of 35 per cent for the soldier alone. As for the civilian, it is no more than status quo ante.

Commutation of Pension reduced by 35 Per Cent. The Sixth Pay Commission has proposed a revised commutation table with lowered purchase values that have brought down pension commutation by nearly 35 per cent.

Compensation for Loss of Earnings. Our jawans are compulsorily retired in their late thirties, our JCO's in their late forties and the bulk of our officers in the mid-fifties. On the other hand, civil government servants of all categories serve up to the age of 60. Thus, there is a loss of earnings, amounting to 30 to 40 lacs, depending on the rank of the military person. This must be compensated by enhanced payment of pension, at 75 per cent of maximum pay of rank last held, till the age of 60 years. Another option is to resettle the military veterans by providing them assured jobs up to the age of 60 years. The first option be adopted immediately and the second be considered as a long term measure.

Defence Veterans' Commission – There is glaring disparity from state to state in their ex servicemen welfare measures, e.g., offering of approved quota of vacancies in civil jobs and monetary grant to gallantry award winners and the war disabled. A Commission with statutory powers can do much to alleviate their suffering especially when the population of the retirees from military forces is rising.

Serving combatants receive inspiration from the veterans, who have since retired and in whose image they visualise their own future. It is therefore expedient in the national interest that the Government should take immediate action to restore the sheen that once belonged to the proud Profession of Arms. Howsoever advanced military technology we might amass, the man behind the machine shall decide the outcome of war for all times to come. Evidently, there can be no bigger liability for any sovereign Nation than a demoralised military.

Our aim is to bring to the notice of the political leadership the grave injustice meted out to the military personnel and point out that if their legitimate demands are not met, national security will be seriously jeopartised; the shortage of officers will get progressively worse; and the only instrument of the nation that has always delivered and that has the confidence of all citizens, will progressively become weak and ineffective. On behalf of the Veterans, I assure you of our continued loyalty and support for the Government and the country. We all hope that the Government will accord priority to resolving the issues I have touched upon, favourably.

Let me conclude by thanking you, Mrs Gandhi, for giving us this opportunity to meet you and apprise you of the injustice done to all military personnel by the recommendations of the Sixth Pay Commission and to reiterate that the legitimate grievances of all military personnel need to be addressed seriously and expeditiously by the political leadership and not by the bureaucracy, who do not inspire any confidence in any military person, on account of their highly biased actions and vested interests.

STOP PRESS OCTOBER 18: The veterans did not meet Sonia. Apparently she had no clue about the meeting. The MLA who fixed the meeting Balbir Sidhu had apparently only contacted Tourism Minister Ambika Soni! Here is IESM chairman Lt Gen Raj Kadyan's e-mail to his colleagues after the meeting:

Dear Colleagues,
The planned meeting with Sonia Gandhi on 18 Oct, arranged by our Punjab ESM colleagues, did not materialise. There was some communication gap. Mr Balbir Sidhu, the Mohali MLA, had approached only Ambika Soni. Mrs Sonia Gandhi was not even aware of the planned meeting. We met Ambika Soni who promised to fix the meeting ASAP. She also took copy of the memo for handing over to Mrs Sonia Gandhi. She also sought our response if Mrs Sonia Gandhi wants us to meet the GoM headed by Pranab instead. We pointed out that as known to us, the GOM is only deliberating on issues of serving pers, she said she would check on that. We then agreed to meet the GoM if the word to this effect goes from Mr Sonia Gandhi. Mrs Ambika Soni hinted that the very fact she herself (Ambika) would convey that msg to the GoM, would imply that. Our planned action from 20 Oct onwards carries on unchanged. We must make it a mass all-India affair.
All the best.
Best regards,
Lt Gen (Emeritus) Raj Kadyan


Anonymous said...

let us see what happens
best thing is thrr service chief should render resignation in case fore core issues are not resolved favourably before deewali as promised

Indian army officer? The group B officer. said...

Thank you shiv
so you remember us
i thought you forgot like our own Gen who are now CM of state and has never spoken even a single sentence in our favour, and like any other politician.
just because we have not voting power.
just see how raj thakre sorted out problems of youths of jet airways in just 24 hours.

i wish we also get some raj thakery who can help

Anonymous said...

I trust there will be a solution soon.

Viru said...

Becoming chief is the heighest honour for any soldier.No governership or any thing else can match this pious profession. If reqd our chiefs must resign if our core issues are not addressed.They will always be remembered as the saviours of this nation. Let baboos run this country with PMFs. I really admire their(baboos) guts.
Jai Hind.

Anonymous said...

When will that soon come friend.Govt has all the time to take cabinet decision on innoculation of animals but does not find time to adress our issue.Testing patience?

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Anonymous said...

Anomalies in defence pay scales will be rectified: Antony
Indo-Asian News Service
Thiruvananthapuram, September 27, 2008

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Anomalies in pay scales for defence personnel in the Sixth Pay Commission will be sorted out soon, and the armed forces "will celebrate Diwali" by collecting their new salaries, Defence Minister A.K. Antony promised on Saturday.

Speaking to reporters here, Antony rubbished news reports that the Indian armed forces personnel would observe the forthcoming festival of lights on Oct 28 as 'Black Diwali' over the newly announced pay scales.

"Who told you such things? Such a thing is not going to happen. When the Pay Commission came out with new pay scales, I agree there were some anomalies for the armed forces personnel. But don't worry. We will sort out all such issues and they will celebrate Diwali by collecting their new pay scales," Antony said.

Anonymous said...

Well, the above promise made by Antony is on Sep 27, and Diwali will be a month later than that. Promises made a month ago may or maynot be fulfilled.

Anonymous said...

God is great. Let us wait and see if God is greater than the CoS.

Wahe Guru di faten

As we tell our Hon'ble PM.

Let us see he staked his political future for the Indo-US nuclear deal; will he stake India's security for the CoS.

Indian army officer? The group B officer. said...

why chief only should resign
if the core issue does not come thru let all lt col should resign
and prove that they are serious this time.

Anonymous said...

Oh, Ki Hoya, Kuchh Pata Lagya ya nahin. Sonia ne kya kaha bhai

Anonymous said...

So boring all this is becoming.As if Sonia cares. In November they have to announce elections and before that they have to close all defence transactions........and in that deals are more important, especially the MMRCA and this is the only month. They dont have time for pay commission etc.

My Views - unvarnished said...

Did Lt Gen Oberoi convince Sonia Gandhi? And so will the Armed Forces get their due on 29th October - not ad hoc not interim but fully and positively?

Much as I pray that Pranabda will provide the magical wand, the keys are with Palaniappan Chidambaram Chettiar and the lock is guarded by Sushama Nath.

71,000 crores to farmers (presumably) fetches votes (but for which party is the clincher).

450 crores to defence personnel (serving and retired) does not fetch votes as most are not in their registered constituencies to vote; proxy votes are not allowed and postal ballot will reach them too late to make any difference.

Therein lies the rub.

Anonymous said...

They have not met sonia......they were kicked out ......see the state of former vice chief oberoi.........PLZ TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS TO VOTE OUT THIS GOVRENMENT MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS ARE VOTING AGAIST THE GOVT.....TO DEFEAT THIS UNJUST GOVT,,,VOTE FOR BJP

Anonymous said...

A letter to the Political Establishment

The three wise ministers reviewing the armed forces’ pay, may like to remember a letter written in 320 BC by Kautilya (author of Arthasashtra) to Emperor Chandra Gupta Maurya:;
“… My Lord, the day the Mauryan soldier has to demand his dues, or worse, plead for them, would neither have arrived overnight nor in vain. It will also bode ill for Magadha. For then, on that day, you my Lord, will have lost all moral sanction to be king! It will also be the beginning of the end of the Mauryan Empire!!” ¦

While I do not, even in a in a dream, think of bidding ill for Indian Republic, I would like to appeal to the three honorable members, thus;

".....My Lords, there has been lots of changes in the nature and functioning of Indian Democracy. True inheritors of Nehruvian legacy like your good selves have progressed from the initial "One Party Rule" to "Coalition of Parties". The Democracy has graduated to "Functioning Pluralism and Management of Diversities". This consensus fundamental approach of Polity has taken India toward progress, greater satisfaction and preventions of "Thousand Mutinies". However, My Lords, Your Bureaucracy is running contrary to the requirements of society and good governance in which IAS and IPS has emerged as truly "Autocratic Institutions". The Secretaries and DGP function as Taliban "War Lords" trampling over all others. They now have embarked on destruction of the last bastion of our "Freedom", the Armed Forces, and perhaps the only "Nation Institution" which may come in their way in replacing you as masters. It has been relegated to a status below Police.

My Lord this is what is "Coup" and disobedience of "Political Will" and not what is being made out. Your attention is being diverted by raising bogey of "Armed Forces Disobedience". 'Autocracy of Bureaucrats and Police" is the "Core" issue for your survival and "Survival of Democracy" as the IAS has already started calling themselves "Permanent Executives" and the "Political Control" and not the Servants. Your realization that this is the "Core" issue will automatically solve many other and related "Core" issues.

Thanking you."

Anonymous said...

That is absolutely correct....

All anomalies arise because IAS put theselves on top and evry one else far below them...
To side track the issue...then they create many other anomalies...

All start cying....
The main issue as to why IAS is on top gets burries and side lined...

It is so simple...HaHaHaHa....

Anonymous said...

Oh so this is becoming political. Good ...I knew that the BJP would resort to something like this and play this as thier trump card in the elections. But the services were never a vote bank and never will be, but the babus are.

In the comments of the last post , below, someone has written about how quickly the services dispense thier cases and also give justice, citing A K Lal's case and the Booze Brigadier, which is not possible in bureacracy.

My dear friend,you be be correct, but don't forget those cases , and there are innumerable , of harassment, irregularities , court martials, and now court cases going on, and many of them unreported, unnoticed. I am not comparing the services with babudom but needless to say corruption is everywhere and why do you forget the top leadership? An army Chief has given favours to the PM's wife to win the Governorship of a north-eastern state, recently.

This argument about corruption level and redressal of woes etc, will not cut much ice when pay commission is being decided, by the way, so no point.

Just stick to the point.

Anonymous said...

Why Babujis are very sad and gone completely mad???

Because, unlike previus CPCs they have been been able to make IAF fight aginst the Army and Army against the Navy, fliers aginst the Technicians and Executives angist the engineers...

That is why they are actively raking up issues of MNS as that is Kerala dominated issue...they are deliberately pushed MES and BRO aginst the uniform...

Good going IAS....God bless you and this Country!!!!!!!

How has leteers written by Services Chiefs to the Cab Secy of be made available to the Press. If this is "Coup" then what is it....????

Any takers in IAS??????

There should be a National Inquerry into this...Cab Secy has become a threat to the nation...

Anonymous said...

@Ano Babu

You said:
"the services were never a vote bank and never will be, but the babus are."

Oh Yes, Vote Bank they are. IAS is a strong Vote Bank of about 1595!!!!!!

NO DO NOT USE THAT NAME !! They are fund raiser, black money collectors, govt fund divertors to plotical parties, gobblers of Flood Relief/ distar / farmers assitance amounts into Political Coffers, informers, chuglikhors and

"Finally the vote riggers..and killers of peoples menadate."

Undoubtedly IAS and IPS have great Political value.. IAS ans IPS association are fund raiser for Political Parties.. and danda masters to manipulate votting...who does not know it..

You are committed Bureacracy after all..!!!

No one ever said in this Country inclding Indira we have Committed Armed Forces.

Do not fool around. Such gosspis are suitable for the meetings of IAS assoctian only....

Anonymous said...

A Fuazi Today Recalls "Faiz Ahmad Faiz"

Nissar Main Tiri Galiyon Pe Ye Watan Ki Jahan
Challi Hai Rasma Koi Fauzi Na Sar Utha Ke Chale
Jo Koi Chahane Wala Tawaaf Ko Nikale
Nazar Chura Ke Chale, Jismon Jan Bacha Ke Chale

( Sacrificed be my life For the ways of My Country, Oh Mother, where
It has become now a tradition that No Fauzi shall walk with his "Head" high
If one ventures out for a good look at thee, Oh you my mother
He would better do that with down caste eyes and with fare of safty of his self)


Bahut Hain Zulm Ke Daste-Bahaana-Zu ke Liye
Jo Chand Ahale-Junu Tere Naam Lewa Hain
Bane Hain Ahale-Hawas Muddayi Bhi Munsif Bhi
kisse Waqil Karen Kisasai Munsiffi Chahen

(There are enough (IAS) hands writting on our percieved and false follies
And those very few are who proseper in your Name, Oh Mother Land !
Those Corrupts Masters have become Executioners and Judges Themselves
Who will then argue our Case and who will deliver the Justice ?? )


Yuhin Hamesh Ulzhati Rahi Hia Zulm Se Khalq
Na Unaki Rasm Nayi Hai Na Apani Reet Nayin
Yuhin Hamesha Khiaye Hain Hamane Aaag Men Fool
Na Unaki Haar Nayin Hai Na Apani Zeet Nayin

(The majority has also been struggling against injustice, thus
This is neither new for them Nor for Us
We have, though, been growing flowers out of fire , Oh Mother
Neither is their defeat a nw thing , Nor the Victory for Us )


Issi Sabab Men Falaq Ka Gila Nahin Karate
Tire Firaaq Men Ham Dil Bura Nahin Karate

( With that thought in mind we carried on with insults ajar
In Love of you Oh Mother !, we have not degraded so far)

Tha above is selctive and being presented with comments.( IAS) above is inserted.

Jai Hind, Oh Mother ! Jai Hind

Anonymous said...

Wah wah!! kya kehne hain

Anonymous said...

If the demands are not met all officers should resign not only the three chiefs. Let the IAS and IPS defend the nation. They will shit and piss in their pants.

Anonymous said...

Makes one cry...
Nissar main teri galiyon pe ye watan...

Anonymous said...

Premature retirement in Army not an easy affair now. Pl read

Aditya said...

So, Vijai Oberoi has gone and embarassed himself in front of Rajmata Soniaji has he? Perhaps these IESM chaps have not heard of taking an appointment? I wonder whether this government has any intention of rectifying these anomalies. There is a danger of fifth columninsts ruining the armed forces, and us citizens paying the price!

Anonymous said...

you said:
"There is a danger of fifth columninsts ruining the armed forces, and us citizens paying the price!"

the Fifth Columnists in the Bureacrcy have sabotaged the Army. Ask your pops as to why should you the price for their action. Your Secirity is being eaten by termites from inside and people like you are axing it from outside.....

Security is under attack from both the friends if they take you to Swat as casual labour for Taliban, (and for other purposes too) it would be your mistake.... why cry Baby...

Anonymous said...

btw sonia did not even meet these jokers. she sent her emmissary chamcha ambika soni to meet these old fogies. they handed over some kagaz to ambika, who is probably wiping madam's feet with it as we speak.

Ronin said...

i think nobody even spoke to sonia about the meeting..the people concerned had ended up speaking only to soni...

Anonymous said...

Ano Above..

You do not not know any thing about Gen Oberoi it seems or you would not called a mn like hima joker. He gave his entir life and limbs too for the Country. It pains me to realise should he realise at this stage what he did for a fifth columnist creatures like you was worth it..

You will have to take seven more birth to attain a dedicated service of his standard...

I know it is not enough for scums like you who wipe their backsides every day with the "Constitution of India..." because that Consttution gives freedom to do so...and since you are ano say whatever you like... I wish you would have told me that on my face..

All the best buddy...

Aditya said...

Alas you have misunderstood me. I am as filled with rage as you that they were refused an appointment! I am angry that they out themselves in a position where they could be humiliated by smaller people than themselves. I am angry that fifth columnists have hardened the hearts of various governments against the forces. I am angry. And I am despondent. And I am a civilian. Imagine how the armed forces feel.

Anonymous said...

Tut, tut, Gentlemen!
Cheer up you buggers.
An important part of our ability to enjoy the vagaries of military life is the ready sense to laugh at ourselves. So here's something to dissipate some of the anger. It has been floating in cyberspace for some time now.

"Due to the current financial situation the Armed Forces has decided to a scheme for employees over 40 years of age to proceed on early retirement. This scheme will be known as RAPE (Retire Aged People Early).Persons selected to be RAPED can apply to their HQ to be eligible for the SHAFT scheme (Special Help After Termination). Persons who have been RAPED, once SHAFTED will be reviewed under the SCREW scheme (Scheme Covering Early Retired Workers). Person may be RAPED once, SHAFTED twice and SCREWED as many times as HQs deems appropriate. Persons who have been RAPED can only gets AIDS (Additional Income for Dependants or Spouse) or HERPES (Half Earnings of Retired Personnel Early Severance). Obviously persons who have AIDS or HERPES will not be SHAFTED or SCREWED any further by the HQ. Persons staying on will receive as much SHIT (Special High Intensity Training) as possible. The Armed Forces has always prided itself on the amount of SHIT it gives its employees. Should you feel that you do not receive enough SHIT, please bring it to the attention of your Superiors. They have been trained to give you all the SHIT you can handle."

Anonymous said...

It is all over bar the shouting and wringing of hands. The Indian Arseholes Service did to the Armed Forces what Pakistan could not do in 3 wars and Kargil but the Chinese did in 1962, thanks to Pt Nehru.

Anonymous said...

Ano Above ...

You mean to say Indian Zenes of treachery, traitors and Fifth Columnists..

You means to say trecherious Pundits, Jay Chands, Mir Khans. and the Pants and Pandeys of Maharastra who betrayed Shivaji. and led this country to slavery..

when "Budha smiled" and nuc tests were conducted...except for DRDO Kalam / Kakodkar (DRDO /ISRO)and Armed Forces, No one including Cab Sec, No IAS was taken into Confidance...

That is why CIA could not come to know about it...It is on one need contest it...

I have no also the knowing leadership of this Country that these IAS guys at higher level are in CIA pockts and pay rolls..earlier they used be in KGB CIA has won..if CIA offers less..they will shift to ISI... simple...

I undurstand this is very serious allagation...but events have proved it true.. there are enough written evidences for saying that..those may be incorrect..but media used used by IAS is as good as media used by others...

It has happened in the history and the civilisation of many Countries and Societies, that its so called elites like IAS were won over by their personal prejudices, lust for money, power and good position for their offsprings in the US and other foreign country.
Many sold their Country only for that much including elites in India.

Barring rare exceptions, no one in Armed Forces did it. They were isolated. No body could work on them as, thank God, they were away from that stupidity.

Why there is so much hue and cry in IAS about Armed forces??
What have they to do any thing Miliatry..being in mare than 25 ministeries...

Their Concern is only about the price of information they will provide to others. The biggest priced information being on Security of the Natuin. Their Prime Business will be Copmpromised.

Wahatever is happening and has happenned, is clear "No Confidence"motion passed on the IAS about the security of the Nation. In thsi respect IPS record has been far better. IAS have been the traitors. Even "Foreign Servuce" officers do not trust them.

How can they be put in charge of Defence where teay leak each and every thing confidental to the "paid" press...

Stop it...Can sacy and and IAS Secretaries... I assure you ..for the Country you all are unreliable..
Bear that truth of modern day traitors...

Anonymous said...

Why waste so many bright young military officers as ADCs to Governors ? What military function do they have

Aditya said...

What is happening on this issue? What happened to resolving all the matters before Diwali?

When will this get fixed?

Anonymous said...

Prepare for a black Diwali, Friend.

Anonymous said...

Wish you all a very happy Diwali, that is all .To add to things the Bihari boy ( Rahul )has done as true nationalist should do .If you feel strongly about any subject just do it , life will be served well

Anonymous said...

The best comment:-
without any ofence or valgurity ,there is lot of truth in that comment
We already see all that crap happening in the form of COS,GOM ,ANNO COM, AF COM...etc. Ultimately very little in action.