Saturday, October 11, 2008

In Srinagar, back Tuesday

I'm in Srinagar -- here to do a special report on the first rail link in the Kashmir valley. Irrelevant sidenote: the PM's security force have spanking new FN F2000 Tactical Assault Rifles (see photo)! Smooth. Will post a video of that when I get back. Sorry for the hopeless picture quality. This was taken with my hopeless 2MP phone camera, using terrible zoom. I really do need to get one of those 5MP phones at the very least.

I had originally thought this was a TAR-21. My mistake. The weapon in the photo is a Belgian FN Herstal F2000 Tactical Assault Rifle. Thanks to anon in the comments section and India Today's Sandeep Unnithan for pointing this out!


Anonymous said...

Dear Aroor

Do not go after the spankness and shoon-shaan of that system. Ask the guys if one bullet kill the the invador or the attacker terrorist at 100m, 50 m or 20 m.

For peronal protection the target is required to be destroyed at the first shot or the invadors first shot will kill the object they are protecting.

5.56 as a aclibre is not capable of that.

That is why there is no alternative so far to either for 9mm or 7.62 calibre heavy volume fire cable of distruction of the treat at one shot. Our fellows thinkh shoon-shaan will kill the invador??

That is why Kalashnikov rules the roost. Short size, 7.62 mm heavy punch, good stoppng power and heavy volume of fire.

Happy hunting Aroor...lucky that you saw first train ever roll in that spendid vally.. I hope the beauty of the train was befitting the beauty of the vally...


Anonymous said... more honeymoon after Kasauli? So is Madam also there. Good. Now together both can celebrate Karva Chauth and Soumya can actually rest in peace waiting for justice, while you all celebrate!!

Anonymous said...

hi since you are there and if you can access the story i chanced upon :

Shiv, , great if you can help with highlighting and helping people who seek out justice.

i believe as others too would agree that "expendable" is only justified when we mean and are in way of protecting national security.

Anonymous said...

Dear Shiv,
I finally took up that invitation to vist your blog and read what you had to write about the fusillade of your former boss and now Chief Editor of Indian Express.

I would have believed each and every word you wrote about how virtuous he is, after all blood flows thicker than rum and water. But alas, my views remain unchanged.

For 60 years - from the 1948 incursion and Pt Nehru (may his soul rest in peace) expressed views that the Army should be disbanded, it has been one steep slope. The Committee of Secretaries took it upon themselves to over-rule Justice Srikrisha's Pay Commission, perhaps even Smt Sushama Nath did not have the guts to tell the CoS That what they were doing was wrong.

Chief Editor wrote about two war memorials - was it intentional? Was it a hint that the present Chiefs should/would be consigned to one or both or that Chief Editor would build another one for them for taking a courageous stand against the CoS?

For many years there has been a strong rumour that a former PM advised his successors both NDA and UPA that they should never agree to the CDS - because he would become more powerful and one day imitate our neighbours!

No, the Armed Forces are not inclined to act that way.

Perhaps lessons of 1998 were not lost on the present CAS (he was an air cmde) tried to put out the fires that CAS Sareen stoked in the IAF by wanting to pay different scales of flying pay. Perhaps he shared his feelings and the ground swell with the CNS & Chairman COSC and COAS and they decided to pre-empt any public displays of resentment or worse, demonstrations by Armed Forces PBOR, even Officers.

No, the Babus or the Govt cannot subdue the Armed Forces into subservience because you know what the others do to tackle violence inside India.

I had a lot of respect for Shekhar Gupta. Now I am not so sure he fits into that image you painted.

Anonymous said...

Above anon, no Shekhar does not fit into the image painted by Shiv for him. Even I had a lot of respect for him, till I uncovered that he was after a Rajya Sabha seat and therefore goes all out to please the incumbent government.

And why do you expect anything from Sushma Nath.....she was part of the 6th CPC Sri Krishna Committee, and was later made expenditure secretary, the person who delegates funds, she was actually made to honour her own decision in the pay panel. This was a deliberate move. She did her own in the committee and then later rejected all the recommendations etc made for the pay commission.

Its all planned. No amount of Shiv Aroors or`Shekhars can help change the situation.

Anonymous said...

appreciate the effort, shiv. post good quality photos when you get the chance. thanks.

Anonymous said...

what hp did u use?

Anonymous said...

please check your facts before reporting. the gun carried by the guard in the picture is not TAR-21. i have noticed that you have misreported facts many times before as well. the brigadier general in the story dated oct 8th is holding TAR-21. just a friendly reminder.

Anonymous said...

pm security has had tavors for some time now. put good quality photos up shiv.

Anonymous said...

I am getting Emotioanlly Tired !!

I worte in one of the Forums"

"My Dear Bureaucrat and Fuji Bothers,

You both do your job and not each others jobs. Undersatnding that will auger very well for the society and the Country. Do not dictate terms to each other. IAS meddling in each and every Govt Deptt has No good to the Country.Fauzies questionig is also out of way at times. IAS people are also our countrymen, well wishers, intellectual and thinking people. They are paid to think good and not lord over all. That I think is not their mandate or Job.

So far as Defense of the Country is Concerned, Prince Charles discarges his National duties by serving in Afganistan. Gorge Bush is booed in USA for avoiding Vietnam. more than sixty percent of the Bureaucrats and the Politicians have had service in the Armed Forces. Since it is a matter of Call of the Nation, they do not and can not avoid it.

If the present attitude towards the Armed Forces continues to be what is exhibited on the board, then Ambani, Ratan Tatas, Manmohans or Chandrasekhars will have to contribute to the Defense including in physical service. No realist and sane person can have doubts about it. When the Armed fores are sabotages the elites of society are put in servitude. Read any kind of leterature or idelogy or history. That elite who is incable to defend himself or relies on other to defend him is not fit to govern.

Unfortunately, when it comes to paying the soldiers, they are indeed paid well all over the world. Under our dispensesation, if you pay your soldiers the pay of a peon as it is today please do not expect soldiering from him. You pay him as semi skilled worker, you have no right to demand his life from him and do not expect him to protect you. Peons and Semiskilled workers are not employed for protection and not supposed to be soldiers.

Since you all are mature and so called intellectuals, you all must understand the "Principles of Payment". If you pay Army Officer as PMF officer , you have no right whatsoever to ask him to discharge duties of Army Officer. He is morally obliged to metally restrict himself to PMF officer.

Why outshout and denigrate each other?. This is not a Ten Yearly Debate Competions nor an election of your College Union. Governance is a serious business whaich appers to away from many of us.

Defense of the Borders is none of your business. If it is your concern, at all, in any manner than it should be supportive and obstructive.

Why make Mound of an Ant Hill. If the Chief s of the Armed Forces are chidded and insulted this way who would like to be the Chief of Armed Forces in this Country??

Armed forces constituting 1.7 million citizens< are part of citizenry and Democracy. They are as good a part of the Govt as any body else. Do you pay "Keep Quite" allowances to the Armed Forces that they should not speak?

Look they are 1.7 million and a strong 20 thousand well motivated and well trained / educated bums in the form of very well charged officers. Democratic system is ingrained in their blood but if you push them back to the wall, you know what would happen.

You are leading to a denial of every thing to those gleaming rays of hope on those two drawning eys which lit up on seeing Armed forces uniform men in die emergencies. You do not know that the masses in this country have so much faith on them that when every thing else fails and disappars they have a hope of life on the sight of a uniformed man of the Armed Forces. The Armed Forces do not project any image of Caste, Creed, Religion, Political affliation, regionalism. Soldiers are the last hope for the billions marooned in this Country when the time of reckoning arrives for them.

One has just see it sometimes to believe it. When I rememebr many episodes and incidents and also see how my elite Countrymen are treating that last straw for the drawning poor, I feel like crying out.

I was told by many Pundits that it is very difficult to be born as a human but more difficult than that is to be priviledged to be a man in Uniform defending others and your Country. Today, I literally wail aloud with streming tears rolling down may eyes and in abject agony tell all those old men that they told me a lie. Geeta has been made rediculios by the IAS in India and that has also been rewritten in favour of them.

Be worth class A officers to understand bad consequences for everyone. I assure you, the lording over period of IAS are over. It is just the begining and the consequences are going to be painfull for all.Their lordship is over at least in the minds of the Armed Forces Officers. And that is what matters the most.

I shall request Fauji brothers not to agitate but adopt "IAS" means only to beat them back. They would instigate you to provoke and the prove their point like today they are maligning every Fauji. But You have to do what you think will restore your place in the society and the Government and cast this menance off your back.

To my IAs brothers. You are making too much of a noise in the Name of Democracy. Elections are nearby and let us make it as one of the maj election issues. Do not renegade on the referendum on the issue even if you loos by 99 perecent to one percent. You are "Servents" of public not their masters, a lesson which even today needs to taught to you all in disciplined Military Style.

Thanks and Regards.

Anonymous said...

bad photo, but that's a tavor alright!

Anonymous said...

its's not tavor. it's F2000 made by the Belgian armament manufacturer Fabrique Nationale (FN) in Herstal. let us not have any more arguments about it. check out (

Anonymous said...

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