Sunday, November 16, 2008

6thPC: Update on Lt Gen and HAG+

In the early November meeting between the three chiefs and Expenditure Secretary Sushama Nath, it is learnt that the chiefs kicked of the topic on the Lieutenant General pay scale by indicating that the status of a Lt Gen had remained completely inert for the last three decades, despite that the fact that Heads of Police had been constantly upgraded with each passing Pay Commission. 

At this point, it is learnt that the Expenditure Secretary placed on record that neither the 6thPC nor the government resolution had altered the existing position or status of the Lt Gen rank in relation to the DGP rank. A presentation was then made by the services side to illustrate the "constant erosion of status":
  • III CPC 
    (i) Police head in each state an IG, equal to a Maj Gen
    (ii) All Lt Gens were superior to head of police in the state

  • IV CPC
    (i) Created posts of DG Police in larger states with pay scales equal to a Lt Gen
    (ii) Also, ex-cadre posts of Addl DG Police were created in the scale of IG Police

  • V CPC
    (i) Encadred Addl DG Police and granted the same scale as a Lt Gen
    (ii) Also upgraded DG Police to a superior scale, that is, of Rs 24,050-26,000
    (iii) Smaller states granted posts of DG Police in higher scales
    (iv) Group of Officers was referred the issue of "restoration of status of Lt Gen", who referred the matter to the government

  • AVSC
    The Ajai Vikram Singh Committee also recommended extension of scale of DGP to Lt Gen

  • VI CPC
    (i) Services demand for restoration of status equation with DG Police not addressed by the CPC
    (ii) IPS demand for creation of posts of Spl DG Police was also not accepted

  • Government Resolution
    (i) One DGP per state however, placed in the apex scale of Rs 80,000 (fixed) with status of Secretary
    (ii) All of ther DGPs given a new higher scale of HAG+
This marked the end of the presentation. At this point, it is learnt that Army chief General Deepak Kapoor spoke about the "adverse impact" of the lower status of Lt Gens, particularly in areas where the Army was deployed in the counter-insurgency role, such as J&K and the North East -- areas where Corps Commanders are required to head unified command structures. It was also apparently indicated that the existing position of the Warrant of Precedence was that of Lt Gen in article 24, whereas the DGPs of state and central Paramilitary forces placed at a lower article 25.

At this juncture, the Expenditure Secretary is understood to have suggested that in future, officers would stagnate at the top of the scale in PB-4 long before their promotion to the three-star rank. In response, the chiefs indicated that a similar stagnation would also occur in the civil services -- and this could not from any angle be taken as a reason  for denying Lt Gens the HAG+ scale. General Kapoor  is understood to have re-emphasised at this point once more that the issue was not of monetary gains, but about status, particularly in the coordination of operations in J&K and the North East.

42 comments :

Anonymous said...

Excellent wk by our chiefs and Shiv. Keep it up.

ASG said...

Akin to typical media person , Shiv you are giving out information of the early November meeting in droplets ...muh like the ATS of Mumbai...everyday a new link !!! High time you went for the jugular and killed the issues of 6 CPC....am convinced you will do the affected much good and also the nation as a whole since morale is at an absymal low. Money matters no more...it is the honour and status...which makes each leader and the lead, to fight the enemy.

Anonymous said...

shiv
why are you giving news bit by bit of the same meeting. If you have the info why not put it all on at the same time in one post so that some meaningful debate can take place and the magnitude of the scam can come to light in one go

Ji Huzoor said...

And while the Brass quibbles and agonises over L/Gens, L/Cols and L/Havs -
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Tare zamin par ho rahe hai !
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The Home Ministry is 2nd sourcing Regiments as Defence Ministry employees seem uppity, antsy:
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http://www.zeenews.com/nation/2008-11-16/483972news.html

Anonymous said...

what is the up date you have given the same story in FOUR PARTS,nothing new. please post some thing new.

Anonymous said...

Dear Shiv
What is point talking about what happened in early November.
We must ask questions to Mr Ak Antony as to what is happening now.
I am quite sure what we are asking is much less than what we deserve.
If Govt doesnt resolve the issue soon , they wont be helping the cause of serving the Nation

Aditya said...

Quite right. The IPS's claims are that police forces have grown since 1950. So has the army. It has also grown surprisingly more complex. So an upgradation is necessary.

The other claim is that the number of men commanded by the policemen has grown. True. But that is no basis for grant of superior rank.

IF that were so, the Foreign Secretary should be the Foreign Joint Secretary. And Embassies should be run not by ambassadors but by officers in the Senior Time Scale. R&AW should be headed by an NFSG officer. And the IAS should be headed by an Additional Secretary. That line of reasoning is, as we can see, insensible.

BTW, nice pic. A garhwali officer, I see.

Anonymous said...

you old irritable veterans dont even know how to be grateful. when you dont get information you wail. when the information is piecemeal, you wail. shiv is not running a news agency here, and this blog is not a paid service. he will run it as he sees fit. he runs this blog as a hobby beyond his real work with headlines today, so kindly be a little considerate when you run him down about posting in parts about the november meeting. unlike all of us has-beens (ESMs), he has a lot on his plate. so, a little consideration might be in order.

Anonymous said...

Indeed. These demands are simply for correction of the most hideous of anomalies. There shouldnt even have been a moments doubt about them.

The real questions are:

1. Why is a brigadier with 30 years service not equated with an Addl Secy?

2. Why is the National Security apparat not under a Chief of Defence Staff, who is placed higher than the Cab Sec (as the chiefs used to be, prior to 1974)?

3. Why are all the MES, BRO, IDSE, IDES, IDAS, IOFS allowed ranks up to Secy? They should go no further than director, and be placed under military command.

3. Why is it that a civil servant passes his JTS scale while still in training?

4. Why are Major Generals not in HAG+, because they used to be equivalent to the Apex police officer until not even 30 years ago?

5. Why is a colonel with 20 years service not at least a Joint Secy?

6. Why is a Lt. Col. not equiv to director?

7. Why is a major not JAG?

8. Why is a captain not STS?

9. Why isnt there a CDS reporting to the PM directly? Is defence so unimportant that the PM can afford to be told about it through bureaucratic channels?

Anonymous said...

LAANAT HAI IS DESH PAR JISNE APNE HI FAUZION KO BHIKHARI BANA DIYA HAI.
AUR LAANAT HAI UN FAUZION PAR JO BHEEKH MAANG RAHE HAI HAQ BHEEKH MEIN NAHIN MILTA

Anonymous said...

@annony at 1100

aapke sare point valid hain
par aap shayad nahin jante ki Haq bheekh mein nahin milte uske liye fight karni parti hai
picchle 60 saal se fauz bheekh hi to maang rahi hai

Anonymous said...

Thanks Shiv for updating though belated. Now,I am of the firm opinion that Ms Sushma Nath,IAS, Member Secy 6CPC is responsible for creating this mesh. At the inception stage itself, she has fed
wrong data about the pay structure of Armed Forces. Had she fed the correct data before the 6CPC this mesh wouldn't have been there. For bringing the wrong data/facts before the commission (intentional or otherwise) as member secretary , Govt should take strict action against her. For this mesh, as chairman of 6CPC justice Srikrishna also owes answer to Govt as why he allowed wrong facts and figure consequently letting down of armed forces which is a demoraling factor for the forces that may effect the national security.
Good luck and regards to all.
Yours sincerely
R S Dasila

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,
1)What is the latest on these issues?
2)Why can't it be impressed to remove this learned lady from the loop?
3)If is the genesis of all problems , she is not competent to handle this important issue.
Our aim is to come to some logical conclusion
thanks

General Dreedle said...

Paramilitary and Paramedical men & women are doing as good a job as the all-the-time complaining, greedy, crying PAOR and PBOR army navy and aeronaut boys and ladies.

ParaM MUST get same Status and PAY.

Anonymous said...

dear shiv,
why have u blacked out on HT? I thought the pay anamoly issue was to be covered till its logical conclusion.

Anonymous said...

Dear all,
Ms sushamanath needs to be sorted out.(A polite way would be to sack her).
Ans secondly,if Lt Col Purohit is found to be innocent then the ATS should be slaughtered AND THEmedia which seems to be gleefully dsetrying Army reputation should be taken to task.Shut down there channels for a few months and see the change

Anonymous said...

If Special Directors have not been approved, then why has BSF created two new posts of "Special Director General"?

Anonymous said...

http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/0/7C1274B87FBA84A6652575040032A842?OpenDocument

Anonymous said...

why the chiefs were discussing the issues with sushmanath?

Anonymous said...

u keep saying watch HT. but there is no update / news or even mention in scrolling line abt pay commission. when is ur report going to be aired?????

Anonymous said...

hey, u keep saying watch HT for update. but there is nothing on pay issue. no news, no caption even no mention in scroll line. when r u putting this story on air.

Anonymous said...

what's the point in posting news that is 2 weeks old. This story has been going on for quite some time and is not at all reflective of things to come. Mr.Shiv I think you need to do a lot better than this to keep AF personnel entertained. Anyway most of this duff gen is given by AF personnel after they are high on spirits.

Anonymous said...

Its high time the cabinet decides who, if at all, will bear arms for the country.
If they continue to pussyfoot, I say, lets give it to them good.
The country will thank us for it.
That, at least will take us out from this despondency.

God, I am fed up.

Anonymous said...

it is amusing to know that Chiefs of services are trying to convince
secy of expenditure, the culprit and the originator of the whole fiasco. How come GOM have abdicated their responsibity entrusted to them by PM?

Anonymous said...

To all our veterans:

THE FINAL INSPECTION

The soldier stood and faced God,
Which must always come to pass.
He hoped his shoes were shining,
Just as brightly as his brass.

'Step forward now, you soldier,
How shall I deal with you ?
Have you always turned the other cheek ?
To My Church have you been true?'

The soldier squared his shoulders and said,
'No, Lord, I guess I ain't.
Because those of us who carry guns,
Can't always be a saint.

I've had to work most Sundays,
And at times my talk was tough.
And sometimes I've been violent,
Because the world is awfully rough.

But, I never took a penny,
That wasn't mine to keep...
Though I worked a lot of overtime,
When the bills got just too steep.

And I never passed a cry for help,
Though at times I shook with fear..
And sometimes, God, forgive me,
I've wept unmanly tears.

I know I don't deserve a place,
Among the people here.
They never wanted me around,
Except to calm their fears.

If you've a place for me here, Lord,
It needn't be so grand.
I never expected or had too much,
But if you don't, I'll understand.

There was a silence all around the throne,
Where the saints had often trod.
As the soldier waited quietly,
For the judgment of his God.

'Step forward now, you soldier,
You've borne your burdens well.
Walk peacefully on Heaven's streets,
You've done your time in Hell.'

Anonymous said...

Dear Shiv,

One has to do a careful anaylsis of what is happening in our armed forced today due to CPC. Every one right from the top to bottom is demoralised and demotivated (due to the four anamloies).First of all there is no one to join the forces due to its current status. secondly those who are serving are not getting either the recognition or the perks and ready to quit. If someone analyses carefully the attempts by the unknowns to destroy our forces systematically,answers may emerge. Look at NE, J&K, Naxals problem etc etc. All attmepts made by our neighbours to bleed India to death by cutting at thousand places yileded no results.that is due to armed forces resolve and patroitism alone. Now the only way to defeat the armed forces is by demoralsing and deterring the quality people to join the forces. All one has to do this, is to influence or enrole the few handful babus sitting in North/South blocks. rest is there for every one else to see. Instead of questioning the Service Chiefs' integrity and discipline, why people and the so called fourth estate is not investigating the root cause/the mischief being played by some one in bueracracy? why aremd forces are being driven to wall? There should be an inquiry by IB/RAW to see if there is any ISI hand behind this. Afterall we are used to the theory of foreign hand in each and every incident happens in India. It is time somebody should wake up and investigate the matter thoroughly to ensure there is no ISI hand. ISI must be mighty pleased to observe what is happening to day in India. ALso the armed forces should not fall prey to these tactics and fight with the patrotism as is being done till date.

Anonymous said...

http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/contentView.do?contentId=4768868&programId=1073754912&pageTypeId=1073754893&contentType=EDITORIAL&BV_ID=@@@


'Drunk' BSF jawan kills three Bangladeshis


Dhaka/New Delhi: An apparently drunk BSF jawan strayed into Bangladeshi territory and shot dead three persons, including an infant, before being detained by BDR personnel, officials said Monday.

The jawan, R.P. Singh, after crossing the international border, entered Maingudi village in Panchagargh district Sunday night and opened fire after a scuffle with locals, BSF Deputy Inspector General K. Srinivasan said in New Delhi.

Three persons - Ghulam Mustafa (50), Hajira Begum (25) and Mamun (seven months) were killed on the spot while another person was injured, he said.

BDR's operations director Colonel Anisur Rahman said in Dhaka that the villagers captured the "drunk soldier" after incapacitating him by throwing a sharp weapon and later handed him over the to BDR authorities.

The soldier has been admitted to Rangpur Medical College Hospital with head injuries, the BDR said.

"A flag meeting was held today where the BSF apologised for the unfortunate incident and assured that suitable action will be taken against the jawan after proper inquiry," Srinivasan said.

After the flag meeting, BSF DIG R. Chandra Mohan and BDR's Colonel Aftabul Islam jointly visited the victim's homes.

The BDR has offered to hand over the jawan to the BSF. Two BSF doctors were also sent to examine the injured jawan who reported that he was fit to be brought back to India.

Singh is likely to be handed over soon. BDR has returned the service weapon of the jawan.

Meanwhile, the Bangladesh Foreign Ministry has "strongly condemned" the incident and said "relevant authorities will carry out an inquiry into it".

Anonymous said...

To all veterans:

THE FINAL INSPECTION

The soldier stood and faced God,
Which must always come to pass.
He hoped his shoes were shining,
Just as brightly as his brass.

'Step forward now, you soldier,
How shall I deal with you ?
Have you always turned the other cheek ?
To My Church have you been true?'

The soldier squared his shoulders and said,
'No, Lord, I guess I ain't.
Because those of us who carry guns,
Can't always be a saint.

I've had to work most Sundays,
And at times my talk was tough.
And sometimes I've been violent,
Because the world is awfully rough.

But, I never took a penny,
That wasn't mine to keep...
Though I worked a lot of overtime,
When the bills got just too steep.

And I never passed a cry for help,
Though at times I shook with fear..
And sometimes, God, forgive me,
I've wept unmanly tears.

I know I don't deserve a place,
Among the people here.
They never wanted me around,
Except to calm their fears.

If you've a place for me here, Lord,
It needn't be so grand.
I never expected or had too much,
But if you don't, I'll understand.

There was a silence all around the throne,
Where the saints had often trod.
As the soldier waited quietly,
For the judgment of his God.

'Step forward now, you soldier,
You've borne your burdens well.
Walk peacefully on Heaven's streets,
You've done your time in Hell.'

November 17, 2008 10:09 PM from

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1503293844377013031&postID=1501714712468755506

Anonymous said...

One person you all talk about most is Shushma Nath.

And you say her husband is from IPS and is in BSF.

You are ignorant fools...

Her husband is in IAS.

IndianACE said...

Please gentlemen,
Have you forgotten your manners? We do not discuss a lady.

You have a grudge against Sushma Nath,IAS- keep yourself confined to the performance of Mrs Nath as an IAS officer.

Here-
http://persmin.nic.in/ersheet/MultipleERS.asp?HiddenStr=01MP027601

Note- She has just done a 12 weeks course on finance in her career. Heck!

Anonymous said...

@ANNONY 3.32 PM

you are right on your thoughts but keep it to yourself only till the time you become chief. so that you can implement those thoughts.

Anonymous said...

no pb4 for lt col only band to beat till next pay commission china and pak are friends now army is not required they can go to their village and work on fields jai baboos jai kissan and jawans can go to hell



all officer below lt col are just like KOOP MANDOOK tell them to come out of the KOOP and find out how they are being illtreated by everybody and then fight for the pb4 then only they may get pb4 else forget that they can get pb4 army officers are just class II officer as declared by this govt

Anonymous said...

DEAR ANON : 6.52;
THE LAST PARA OF GODS JUDGEMENT IS A HOAX. I SHALL TELL U WHAT GOD WILL SAY;"UR LIFE WAS ALWAYS URS WHAT U DECIDE TO DO WITH IT IS UR PROBLEM, U COULD HAVE MADE IT COMFORTABLE FOR URSELF LIKE OTHERS. NOW STOP WASTING MY TIME ;I WILL GIVE ONE MORE LIFE DO WITH IT,WHATEVER U CAN.


U & UR LIFE WAS ALWAYS IN UR HANDS ,

Anonymous said...

SHAME ON THIS COUNTRY WHERE DEFENCE CHIEFS ARE BEING SHUNTED LIKE A COMMON MAN. THESE ARE THE CHIEFS WHO WILL MOTIVATE HIS SUBORDINATES TO DIE FOR THIS COUNTRY.
IF COUNTRY CANNOT UNDERSTAND ATLEAST THE CHIEFS SHOULD UNDERSTAND THIS.
ALL IN UNIFORM ARE WATCHING THE CHIEFS AND THE TREATMENT GIVEN TO THEM BY THIS GOVT

Anonymous said...

Dear Anony @ 2:40 PM. YOU are so smart and worldly wise how I wish I could be like you. We have been really foolish all these years willingly and foolishly risking our lives for people like you. I think you are very correct. It is our life and our first duty is to protect it . The nation can go where ever it likes. I came close to death so many times and today I really feel that it would have been really sad had I died for a nation which has people who care two hoots for soldiers. I only feel utterly sad for those who embrace death infront of us and died for such ugly and selfish Indians. You dont have to worry about the soldiers now . I think hereafter they will look after their comforts.

Anonymous said...

http://www.zeenews.com/nation/2008-11-19/484608news.html

Anonymous said...

How can the issue be speeded up and resolved for the good of the country?
Any new timeline has been set by PM,FM,EAM,RM?
Could U plse ask them and post a deadline so that people have a day to look forward to.

Anonymous said...

No dilution on demands concerning Armed Forces says officers

New Delhi, Nov 18: With a ministerial committee set up to resolve the four pay commission issues delaying a decision, the Armed Forces have strongly conveyed to the government that there should be "no dilution" on their demands concerning their officers and jawans.

"We have re-conveyed to the government that there should be no dilution as far as the four core issues are concerned relating to the Sixth Pay Commission notification issued in August this year," Armed Forces officers told reporters today.

The assertion comes in the wake of reports that the government was trying to find a "middle path" to break the deadlock over the armed forces' demands that included placing Army Lieutenant Colonels and their equivalents in the Navy and Air Force in Pay Band-4.

The government had a fortnight ago sent a top-ranking officers to the Armed Forces headquarters for talks to assess if the three Services would accept a "compromise formula" to resolve the four issues when this strong sentiment was conveyed to the government.

The other three demands from the Armed Forces included parity of Grade Pay to officers from Captains to Brigadiers with that of their civilian counterparts, placing Lieutenant Generals and their equivalents in Higher Administrative Grade Plus pay band and restoring the 70 percent pensionary weightage for jawans.

It is learned that the government was considering a "middle path" under which it would accept the Armed Forces' demand relating to Lieutenant Colonels.

But, instead of placing them in Pay Band-4 scales after 13 years of service when they actually picked up the Lieutenant Colonel rank, these officers would be placed in the Pay Band two years after getting the rank (after 15 years of service).

That would translate into Lieutenant Colonels remaining in Pay Band-3, as recommended by the Sixth Pay Commission, for two years after picking up the rank and achieving parity with their civilian counterparts later in their service (after 15 years) when they would be placed in Pay Band-4.

"This is not acceptable to the armed forces. The Ajai Vikram Singh Committee Phase-I on cadre restructuring implemented in 2004 has already fixed that Majors pick up their Lt Col rank after 13 years of service. Now, by introducing this clause in the Pay Commission, the bureaucrats were actually trying to dilute what AVS Committee had already granted," officers said.

They also lamented that in the month-and-a-half since the government set up the ministerial committee under External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee to consider their grievances, the delay was leading to counter demands from the paramilitary forces.

Also, the delay led to some sections of the bureaucracy introducing seven new anomalies in the pay commission through the services instructions issued by the Defence Ministry on the pay commission notification, they said.

They pointed out that the Defence Ministry bureaucrats had arbitrarily introduced amendments in Draft Government Letter on the pay commission and issued the special instructions governing the armed forces' pay on October 20 under which the 'military service pay' and 'rank pay' were re-defined, subverting the purpose for which it was recommended in the first place.

"The changes in the definition and meaning of key pay commission recommendations have been done on the sly to deal a blow to the armed forces' morale and to deny them their due," the Services headquarters informed the government.

Officers said the subversion of the definition of rank pay would mean the armed forces officers would take home less pay than what was intended to by the hikes provided in the pay commission notification.

The Services have pointed out that since the 4th pay commission, the rank pay was calculated as part of the basic pay of the armed forces personnel.

"This government policy provided the personnel a higher house rent, travel and dearness allowances. However, by re-defining the rank pay and de-linking it from the basic pay, the bureaucrats have ensured that the armed forces personnel take home less amount as allowances," sources claimed.

The military service pay (MSP), introduced by the 6th pay commission for the first time, was meant to be a "compensation for difficulties specific to military life".

However, the Defence Ministry instructions, referred to it as a "hardship allowance" to security forces in forward areas.

The Services have questioned the rationale behind this re-defining of the MSP, wondering if it was meant to be provided to other security forces too working in counter-insurgency areas.

One other issue brought out was fixing basic pay for Colonels and Brigadiers at scales lower than what was awarded by the 6th pay commission.

The basic pay fixation for Colonels and Brigadiers was to be done under S-25 pay scales. Under the new Defence Ministry instructions, the two sets of officers would be provided only S-24 pay scales.

Bureau Report

Anonymous said...

Pay Commission

by: Lt. Gen. RP Agarwal (Retd), PVSM, VSM

11/17/2008



‘Googling’ for “sixth pay commission” throws up 4,76,000 pages worth of results – an indication of the unprecedented interest and deliberations it has engendered. The media boom and social networking over the internet have ensured that each nuance of the report has been dissected and examined for ramifications. Anomalies that would have hitherto gone unnoticed till much after the implementation were picked up and circulated via mail groups, discussion forums and blogs. The recommendations concerning the Armed Forces have been particularly contentious and to make matters worse, the Committee appointed to resolve the anomalies has, on the contrary, introduced more of the same. While the Group of Ministers constituted for amelioration is expected to address these, it would also be prudent to take this opportunity to examine certain core issues which are the basis of divergence between the military and civilian points of view regarding the status, pay and perks.

Concerns have been voiced about the fact that the forces have been consistently downgraded in status vis a vis civilian counterparts ever since independence. There is no disputing this as the C-in-C of the Army prior to independence was second in the warrant of precedence, after the Viceroy. In fact, his official residence was the Teen Murti Bhawan, which became the Prime Minister’s residence after independence. As on date, the COAS is 12th in the warrant, and the slip is not merely 10 places, considering that most of the 11 slots above him are occupied by scores of people. Correspondingly, the warrant has been adjusted downwards at all levels.

The reason for this slide is not very difficult to perceive. The distinction between the soldier and civil administrator was not so marked prior to independence. The role of the Army, and consequently the position occupied by it, under colonial rule, was vastly different from that in a democracy. Notwithstanding the fact that the Indian Civil Service provided the steel frame of administration as a precursor to the IAS, a large number of civil appointments at district level upwards were held by military officers, or erstwhile military officers. These roles were switched back and forth, and the protocol or inter se status was therefore clearly defined. The fact that badges of rank of police are same as that of the Army is a legacy of this system. Post independence, however, the Army’s role is rightfully restricted to defence of the nation, and the ever widening chasm between it and the civil counterparts has resulted in an erosion of the warrant of precedence.

The issue of career progression vis a vis the civilian counterparts is another cause of frustration within the services. The peculiar nature of service necessitates a pyramidical hierarchy within the forces. For instance, for every general officer added, a suitable organisation / portfolio for him to handle needs to be created within the forces. Considering that the size of the forces is more or less static, this is difficult to implement. In the case of civil services, however, the size of the cadre is not relative to any particular organisation. Apart from promoting officers in situ while they continue to perform the same duties, adequate scope for lateral movement to PSUs, corporations and other organisations is open to them. To that end, comparing the promotional avenues in the forces with other services such as the IAS, IPS or similar cadres amounts to an attempt at comparing two dissimilar things on a common platform. Unless, of course, we have Colonels commanding companies, Brigadiers battalions, and so on. Some may argue that there is nothing wrong in this, and even cite the example of say the police, where every state today has 10 - 12 DGPs, some looking after ridiculously mundane things such as stationery (maybe an exaggeration, but just about). This approach has inherent flaws that would supersede the marginal improvement to the pyramid that it would provide. It still would not be adequate to meet the aspirations of all the regular officers who join the service. We cannot hope to match the assured career progression of the IAS or the IPS wherein the rank of a JS or IG / ADG is assured to everyone joining, for the simple reason that in these organisations, the number of such ranks is equal to the annual intake.

Obviously, number of officers to be commissioned cannot be restricted to the number of Maj Gens, since effective junior leadership is a key requisite of the forces. The civil services are not bound by this requirement and junior level vacancies are filled up by support cadres and promotees. In fact, in case all the civil services also relied on a system of regular professional officers manning the junior level posts, while they might face career progression problems similar to the Army, the quality of administration might improve drastically.

As a corollary, since the organisational requirements are so vastly different, the application of the same yardstick for pay and allowances and parity of status is obviously a flawed approach which leads to gross disparities in the lifetime remunerations between armed forces and civil services officers. A detailed analysis of the average earnings of a sample batch of 100 IAS officers and 100 army officers over their entire service is revealing. Taking the timeframe of promotions and the proportion of officers qualifying for the same at various levels into consideration, the difference between an average officer in the two services works out to over Rs 2 Cr ! (See box for details)

The requirement therefore is for a separate pay commission for the services, which takes into account these peculiarities rather than blindly applying the same yardstick as the civil services. Alternatively, the norm of pay parity in terms of years of service, irrespective of the rank at which each is at any given time should be considered. Thus, an officer with 16 years of service in the forces should get the pay equivalent to the highest pay drawn by any cadre with equivalent service, irrespective of the rank at which either is at that time. An Army officer, who would be a Lt Col at such a service, should therefore draw the pay equivalent to that of a JS if IAS officers of his parallel batch have been promoted to JS. He can continue to be equivalent to a Dir as per the existing warrant of precedence, which in any case makes no material difference at this level. In fact, we could limit the comparison to the level of a Maj Gen, there being no necessity to lay down the equivalence with civil officials below this. Also, the badges of rank of the army need to be distinct from that of Police, CPOs and PMFs, to avoid equivalence being implied needlessly and inaccurately.

For all of the above to take shape, there is a need for creating an understanding that the armed forces are a national asset. While they cannot occupy the position of pre-eminence of a colonial army, due credence and attention should be given to ensuring their ‘Izzat O Iqbal’ at a time when drastic measures are required to preserve their cutting edge.

Anonymous said...

A young boy joins armed forces(AF) just because he is a day dreamer he is not the realist.
the very fact that he joins AF inspite of so much of info available every where that as an officer in AF he is just a class II officer means he does not want to face the reality. now once he joins the trg imparted to him at the academies make him just a follower. follower of the system. so first 10 years of service he keeps drinking and following thinking that what ever the col and Gen saheb’s are doing is just right for them.
now from 10-16 years of service he is just concerned about 9 pointer ACR so that he can join the elite group of Col and Gen can look down the others. now once he gets superceded then only he realises that he is just a Class II officer which is now officially declared by SCPC. so he become demoralised also he thinks that because he is demoralised so everybody else around him but again he is just day dreaming. because there are the officers less then 10 years of service just like a kid who does not know what is happening to him and keep killing militant just for TAMGA on his chest and the other group is the elite group of COL and GEN who looks down every body else. so all the above writers just think who will fight for the cause. just by crying that forces are demoralised no body will get any thing. some thing has to shown that the forces are really demoralised else it seems that only the superceded are demoralised . so they can go out by resigning (not by PMR)

The Wizard of Id said...

Vote- because at Delhi
SINGH is KING
The KING is a FINK, ipso facto
SINGH is a FINK

Throw out the FINK democratically

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