Sunday, December 26, 2010

"Muslim" Think Tank To PAF: Get UCAVs To Counter IAF Strength, Quotes Koran To Support Suggestion

A Kuala Lumpur-based institute Grande Strategy (no kidding), which describes itself as a "Muslim think-tank providing strategy and analysis from an Islamic perspective" has published an online "strategy paper" today (by a defence analyst called Meinhaj Hussein) suggests UCAVs as a "possible solution in countering India's military aviation threat to Pakistan." The paper recommends that the PAF develop this proposed UCAV in the same way that it developed the JF-17. It even quotes from the Koran to pitch UCAVs as the assymetric answer to India's fifth generation push.

After a rather droning (no pun intended) primer on the advantages/disadvantages of UCAVs, the paper goes on to recommend that UCAVs in Pakistani service are the only platforms that will be able to counter the "larger number of fifth generation fighters" India will have by 2025.

Some excerpts:
  • India will begin to field PAKFA fighter jets from Russia and may also develop her own from technology bought from the Russians. While the latter may be discounted as another employment opportunity for DRDO and related third-rate Indian bureaucracies, PAKFA and any specific design built for India by the Russians will provide a challenge that would be wholly new to the subcontinent: a 5th generation fighter. Further, it may not be farfetched to imagine a JSF purchase for the IAF, given the blossoming long-term partnership developing between India and the United States. While the credentials for the JSF are still unclear and the jury may be out on its air-to-air combat capabilities, the PAKFA is a clear threat. The PAKFA was designed to counter the F-22 in air combat. The threat is perhaps best defined as reasonable stealth, super cruise, high altitude and high speed. The PAKFA takes BVR combat to a new level that the airframe of the JF-17, by design, cannot compete with. BVR missiles launched from a high-high profile aids missile range and speed, and reduces the threat, range and effectiveness of Pakistani BVR launches in response. With AWACs and refuelers in the sky, such threats would be a menace, particularly with longer ranged BVR missiles from Russia. By 2025, India could field PAKFAs and perhaps even JSFs in the hundreds, drastically changing the military balance in the Subcontinent. Pakistan can either go bankrupt attempting to counter this new threat or she can become obsolete, back to a decade similar to the 1990s. Or Pakistan can develop UCAVs.

  • The general approach has been to counter India's provocative procurements on a largely symmetric basis. Increasing number of manned fighter jets have been reciprocated by increases in Pakistan's inventory of manned jets. Purchase of AEW assets have been matched by an equivalent purchase. Nuclear tests were responded to with equivalent nuclear tests as were ballistic missile tests. However, this asymmetry is increasingly impractical because of differing size and economic development
    between the two countries.Meanwhile, India is now slated to acquire a large number of 5th generation planes in a 50-50
    partnership with the Russians. Instead of attempting to break the bank and procure increasingly complex (and expensive) 5th generation fighters with the added exponential increase in maintenance and other operational costs, a solution may be to respond asymmetrically. Evidence of responding with positive asymmetry can perhaps be found in the Quran: The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better. Al Quran, 41:33
The rest is pretty much a suggestion that Pakistan look about acquiring the X-47 Pegasus. Hoo boy. Read the rest here [PDF]. No pressure, though. :)

77 comments :

Mirza said...

LOL, Smile

anand_tiger said...

Simply a stupid and funny analysis...

I fell from my chair while reading this...

The Indian said...

Some strong pegasus lobby lolz

Anonymous said...

UCAVs are perhaps more complicated and expensive than 5th Gen fighters as they will require advanced artificial intelligence and guidance systems. Not to mention stealth tech and advanced engines.

Pakistan's "Satuma Jasoos and Burraq" can't be transformed into real UCAVs. Best option for Pakistan is smoke peace pipe with India and resolve all petty differences thru dialogue.

Anonymous said...

That PDF article begins with as follows:

Introduction

Bismillaharrahmanarraheem.

Unmanned Combat Air Vehicles (UCAVs) are a category of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs)................. ROFLMAO!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Hmm ...... There are so many base unsupported assumptions in the paper.

ArkAngel said...

....and they think India's gonna sit on its ass when it comes to UCAVs?
LOL.
I like these guys ....they write some funny stuff :p.

VJ said...

I would like to suggets PAF as well as per their holly book - BLA BLA BLAAAAA, BLA BA BLAA, BLA BLA BLA

The same thing as they have (the thinktank, mind it) suggested here. LOL!

Anonymous said...

funny it is to many but let's just accept the fact that sixth gen fighters are necessarily high performance UCAVs (optionally manned) and this paper just gives a hunch of it. but i would say that fears shown in the paper are bit too early. 2025 is not a month away, its a decade and half we are talking about. and i can tell you one thing, the only reason this paper is here is because pakistan hasnt yet revealed its plans mostly because they don't know them yet but this is for sure that by 2025 PAF would in all cases ALSO be fielding a 5th gen fighter, with that being said, the fears of PAKFA taking the threats to new level seems resolved. it is known that china is already intensely working on its JXX and intends to field it along side PAK FA, the only time you know chinese have done something is when they're done doing it...there are high chances that by 2015 JXX would be inducted by PLAAF. if that is done, we can safely assume that by 2020 PAF would be fielding its own 5th gen fighter, which would most likely be the JXX. there is also talk of JF-17 being entered into limits of 5th gen fighter but JF-17 will most likely not be graded amongst fighter of class of PAKFA or JXX.

the point here is again, 2025 is a hell of time we are talking about, there is no way PAF or PLAAF relies only on 4th gen fighters until then. also, as far as UCAVs go, no need to mention how china showed off its UCAV capability in zuhai airshow. PAF is already reported to be inducing one of chinese UCAVS and working on its own.

keep your fingers crossed. there's a lot coming. its a major transformation phase every country is goin thru militarily.

Anonymous said...

UCAVs are an excellent idea

people laugh about it, because they misunderstand the concept. you see, a UCAV doesn't have to have super stealth and advanced AI. it just needs an air frame, encrypted communication systems and weapons. its nothing more than an airborne SAM system

for example the PAF could convert some obsolete Mirages and Migs, giving them autoflight systems, encrypted communications and missile launchers

the T-50 is estimated at $100 million, but I'd expect it to end up in the $150-$200 million range

if you can convert old aircraft at $10 million each (pricy by Chinese standards), you can lose between 10 and 20 for every T-50. hell, a T-50 can't carry enough missiles to counter that many enemies. the PAF on the other hand cares little for its UCAVs, they're expendable. you could also put in an ejection system for the more expensive new systems, so they can be re-used if they go down

it's been suggested that the T-50 won't have such good stealth, meaning ground radars and AWACS and whatever other detection systems will be able to find it. potentially you could equip one UCAV per flight with more advanced radar and detection tech

at this point you just have to give the target coordinates to the UCAVs, and the missiles will do the rest

Anonymous said...

"The paper recommends that the PAF develop this proposed UCAV in the same way that it developed the JF-17."

Where do they propose to find a discarded design for a UCAV? Haha!

Anonymous said...

This PDF just states a Psychotic,Xenophobic fear of India and it's so called imaginary aggressive behaviour towards Muslim nations that these notional religious extremist are upholding is ridiculous .
These people fail to understand that India is a secular democarcy and harbours,nurtures a large population of Muslims , who are equally happy,proud to call themselves as Indians.

Mind u guys(Extremists) u gonna fail and end the same place where all evil ends in Hell. Any number of UCAV's not gonna save ur Arse...

Mind It!!!!

Anonymous said...

UCAV requires strong network signaling with control base. Let PAF develop UCAV and all India has to do to is develop strong network signal jammers. UCAV will be nothing but flying toys

Mr. Ra said...

As on today a pro-paki thing tang at least thinks that PAK-FA is superior to JF-17, perhaps because there is a name PAK attached to it... Lol...

Anonymous said...

That came from a think tank? Oh, the irony. Besides the unintended humor there are some bits worth pondering. Most obvious is this premise that the PAK-FA upsets an existing equilibrium between the IAF and the PAF. This is nonsense, no such equilibrium exists. Quantitatively and qualitatively the IAF has enjoyed a clear advantage for at least a decade, and this edge is only increasing. The American veto following the nuclear tests of a decade ago affected the PAF to a much larger extent, as it was predictable - their main combat asset was vetoed, India's was not. Pakistan was never able to come up with a coherent response to the Flanker and it is highly doubtful that they will come up with one to the MMRCA. At least to me it is apparent that they understand this themselves, which is why they simply proliferate to turn India's conventional overmatch into an irrelevancy.

Anonymous said...

Its maligning the Holy Quran!! All patriotic Indian Muslims must issue a Fatwa against the paranoid who wrote this article.LOLz!!!

sauravlovesu2005 said...

Since when X-47 is up for joint development..Was it not primarily a UAV to be operated from Aircraft carriers..And where from will Pakistan field the necessary Satellite network to control these high performance UCAVs..

And even if as someone suggested that Pakistan converts its existing fleet of Mirages and Mig-21 knockouts to UAV and deploys 10 such aircrafts to take out one FGFA, where is the assurance that those 2nd generation planes will survive the assault of FGFA ..

Anonymous said...

Anon 12.12

If it was so simple everybody would be having UCAVs. Fact is without stealth, these vehicles will be sitting ducks. They will be spotted the moment the take to air (with our AWACS and other surveillance eqps). Next these UCAVs will be costing several million $ bcoz of the engine and ordinance they will be carrying (if we don't consider other critical components). Ergo the need for AI for "situational awareness" particularly when no humans are on board to take those "human decisions". AI will determine who will live or die.

No UCAV will be "expendable". The cost of one jet engine itself will run into several million $s.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Firstly, to operate UCAVs capable of undertaking even tactical battlefield interdiction, an operator needs to become an aerospace power, i.e. investing in a constellation of GPS navigation satellites as well as communications satellites. This so-called research paper totally overlooks this fact and by doing so, totally rubbishes the advocated concept of providing the assymetric answer to projected Gen-5 manned multi-role combat platforms like the FGFA.
Secondly, NONE of the staff of this KL-based think-tank have Malay or Malaysian Muslim names! If anything, they all sound Pakistani to me. Looks more like this think-tank is something resembling one of the front-companies/entities that was set up in the late 1990s in Malaysia by the likes of Dr A Q Khan. Anyway, I'll will get in touch with some of my friends at the PDRM's Special Branch HQ in Bukit Aman to find out more about this think-tank. Let's see what turns up.

Adi said...

I truly wasted my time reading this article..
From what i could Figure out ,this article is a feeble and stupid attempt of finding an appropriate countermeasure to soothe the headache of India's progress . The whole UCAV concept is revolving around the fact that the AI is somehow going to pursue a target,in a dog fight or perform any complex maneuvers? lol
Let me make this clear Todays Ai from the past 5o years hasn't been able to clear the maneuverability,dexterity and logic of a caterpillar let alone anything more advance like a cockroach or a fly.
The most advanced of AI today can only operate if there are proper and Adequate stimulus receptors and sensors integrated and all actions are predefined loops of programmed functions that activate when the stringed stimulus is tripped.
All UCAVs need a human controlling them if u even want make a dent in the enemy's forces. The predator is a disaster, if they are used in Modern warfare and they will drop like flies either , via land forces as they are meant to be light therefore they dont have enough speed and countermeasure capabilities ,not to mention if the enemy jammed there frequency.
UCAVs are only meant for a very specific field of work re-conn and hit and flee maneuvers..they are meant to reduce mobilization and deployment costs and have no future if used for air dominance and superiority roles like the F22 or the PAK-FA.
India already has huge aspirations for its Indigenous 5th gen Fighters as well as its UAV/UCAV development ,and 2025 is a long time .By conservative estimates alone if India keeps growing at 9% avg its nominal GDP will become the 4th maybe the 3rd largest at a 17 to 20 trillion which=more diplomatic hegemony and buying power.
The Pakistan story doesn't look strong ,its emotionally ,politically and economically .....isolated and it should look forward to better ties with India and vice versa, if it seriously wants anything positive for its people.

Anonymous said...

Free transportation of some chinese missiles and nukes let them to think about UCAV? With what technology they will build it madrasa technology? Even china dumped failed FC-1 and MBT-2000 that they themselves not inducting. Self-cailm as its best. lol hey dont have even good college now thinking about UCAV!!

Anonymous said...

Now they will get something to fight daily attacks from American drone!! lol

Anonymous said...

Malaysis is becoming a Barbarian nation. It's high time to whack them by every sane nation in this world.

Anonymous said...

What bothers me is that now even the Malaysians are letting themselves get influenced by the rag-headed version of Islam (read Taliban)
Read these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_al-Qaeda_Summit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Bilal

I don't think it would be good for them in the long run.....

Anonymous said...

This might be the same think-tank that suggested to build a secret facility to make dual use technology items for the Iranian nuclear programme. However the master mind behind the project was Mahathir Mohamad, the dictator whose origins are from Kerala but had completely rejected his Indian roots.

It is common knowledge that Mahathir is a rabid critic of the US and despises Indians especially the Hindu Indians. He is also the self-appointed champion of all fair skinned Muslims. He is blind to the genocide of black/coloured Muslims in Africa because he considers blacks as inhuman.

Let there be no doubt in the Indian mind that if a war breaks out between India and Pakistan, Malaysia would be in the forefront to provide aid in every form. They might even proclaim a jihad to teach a lesson to the Hindu for taking on a peace-loving Muslim nation such as Pakistan.

In the meantime let us help Malaysia to become rich even at our expense by granting them turnkey highway projects. Let us also buy more monorail carriages from Scomi which was the Malaysian entity that was involved in the Pakistani/Iranian nuclear proliferation business.

PS: Scomi belongs to ex-premier Abdullah Ahmad Badawi's son.

Anonymous said...

ROTFL!!!

Thanks Shiv...a nice dose of comic relief.

Tats

Vrushalk said...

Its not Pakistan's capabilities (or incapabilities) that are a concern here nor are the deluded statements of the self-proclaimed 'analyst'. What is of concern is the thought process and perceptions of an 'assumed' educated person. How many people from the 'other side' subscribe to such and similar schools of thought. Instead of recommending ways to for confidence-building measures, we have a think-tank suggesting an almost-bankrupt economy new ways of asymmetric war!
Just had a WTF moment.

aniket said...

same perception like they have before 1971 war that"one muslim =five hindus" and there is no equilibrium between us. missiles from china ,north korea painted in green dosen't mean they are similar to us jf-17 is never can compared to su-30MKI or MMRCA ...and who is giving them x-47a.lol

cybersurg said...

A premature Happy New Year to you Shiv. You need a holiday. Everyone else is holidaying and news on the ground is short. But please - I have enabled SMSes on my phone when you make a blog post. But I don't expect this bullshit on here.

Please don't dilute the quality of your information with this sort of rubbish.

Anonymous said...

UCAV can also be detected AND shot down in a real war situation.

UCAV cannot cross the border

So if IAF has AIR superiority then UCAV which is even 50 KM inside pakistani border can be shot down

Because IAF will deploy several ground and AIR assets for picking out these Tiny UCAVs

Above all First China has to make a UCAV Only then will PAkistan get it

India too has started work It will be ready by 2030

Right Now China is still improving J 10 and J 11

J XX stealth is the first priority for China Rather than UCAV

chandrabhan said...

Hi Shiv,
More than the obvious(stupidity it showcases), I am worried about the new phenomenon that is gripping the Malaysians- Solidarity with the Terrorist state of Pakistan.
It is worrisome indeed that they see common cause with Pakis and don't see us a homogenous, secular republic rather than an unfulfilled agenda of Paki grand scheme of India.
Recently the Malaysians have been becoming more and more hardline with their Sanskritist names going for a toss and adoption of more Wahabi names.
In future conflicts and terror origins, malaysia can not be rules out.
We are living in dangerous neighborhood and this article tries to make the Pakjabi rat army as the 'Army of Islam' and that suits the pakistani army with their motto - Jihad fi sabillah .

Anonymous said...

Seriously shiv,

Why did you even post this?
The report is like some college kids putting to gether some info in the form of a monday morning submission.

Its vacation time - go have fun and leave all this paki sci-fi for the comics.

Anonymous said...

Clear cut case of Pakistani Myopia.

Anonymous said...

What makes them think that UCAVs will outdo any and all Indian jets?

I think the person who wrote this was watching the movie 'Stealth'.

Artanis said...

Damn that was funny :) Its funny how they used Quran to further their lobbying and declared India 'Evill'. Dude we are not Evil we are the Devil itself and if you keep terrorizing our poor civilians you will get a taste of Devil's wrath. MUWAHAHAHA..... (ROFL)

Anonymous said...

Damn.. I am disappointed.. no Pakroach has turned up yet, to support this wet-dream.. where are they hiding..?

Anonymous said...

shiv you have gone mad.........i ask your no. shiv.....i am an indian and want to ask that hen there is a blast still unproved by hindus you call it saffron terrorismm.nd by muslims you dont call it gree terrorism hy dear......its jst a simple question dnt be biased and asnwer me.......terrorism is terrorsim......hy shiv why shiv hy.....it hurts us the hindus.....u do it jst for trp rght.....reply me i you introspect yourseles at vishalsonavane169@gmail.com..... e beliee in peace and terrror is terror n e indians dnt believe in it.....dnt again use tht ord safron terror pls

Anonymous said...

WAS WAITING FOR THE JOKE OF THE YEAR......FINALLY GOT ONE....HAHHAHAAHAHAHA

Alert5 said...

I was told the author works in the Pakistan Embassy in Malaysia.

Anonymous said...

The only good thing out of this entire post was this quote from the Quran. It was very interesting. Honestly I did not expect to find it in the holy book.

There is much to understand if just introspect on this quote rather than waste time on a juvenile analysis.

A very happy new year to you all in advance.

Shiv: seriously, take a break :)

mathi man said...

A first for livefist. A trasnlated quranic hadith in the text of the blog. Stooping to new lows . the mod is trying his hand at minority appeasement ;-)


IAF succeeding in its mission in stealing sleep from across the western border of India. ;-).

Inshallah, after pak-fa it will steal good amount of sleep from across the eastern border too. ;-)

tangushka said...

Evidence of responding with positive asymmetry can perhaps be found in the Quran: "The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better. Al Quran, 41:33"

Wow, and the idot quoting this didn't understand that, it can mean "Pakistan put your energy is quelling the evil you have created and this will help save the expendiutre and unnecessary enimity with the neighbour, can then concentrate on bettering the life of it's people with better economy and trade with India and others, save India as well the headache and expediture in the long run, Now that Pakistan is the source of tensions and also draging other neighbours into tensions with India, Pakistan could be one nation that can be instrumental in bringing peace to the region."

Positive assymetry, wsan't this the motive of any muslim, specially since this is absent in Pakistan shouln't this be what every Pskistani should strive for. Follow the Quran with the right Perpective?????

aatish said...

hey Shiv....
Happy New Year to You...
that is if u were missing us on holiday, you just had to type Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to all. You could have got more hits than by posting a crap like this. These buggers don't command a place on your blog..

Anonymous said...

I laughed my heart out at this madrassa educated think tank, but one thing needs to be noted, you can devlop an UCAV, which may soon be the future of Air combat.

Anonymous said...

Pakistan does not have to unduly worry that India would be inducting 5th generation planes in great numbers from 2025 as by that time,there would be no country by the name of Pakistan to worry about such matters (Pakistan would have broken up in 4-5 small countries by 2025).

Heberian said...

@ Prasun

You are right sir. No Malays in this "think tank", except for the author of the PAS article. Completely manned by Pakistani scholars of dubious origins/ credentials with verifiable funding trails leading to Pakistan. The source of the funds is not too hard to guess, even based on the most rudimentary knowledge of these matters.

Some contributions from well meaning Iranians, but those dont have a clue(? or they pretend not to?) about the raison d'etre of this "think tank". Most of the educated and erudite Malay folks I know shudder at the thought of these kind of "organizations" that exists sans physical address, and are poisoning their society. Off course, this is apart from the Kedah folks getting theological indocrination in the land of the pure.

The "ANALysts" are quite like the greatest of their ilk.. the one and only Zaid Hamid.

@ Shiv -

Their site meter must be off the scale thanks to you :) The drone pun was good, but think of the web traffic. I hope they give credit to you for their launch out of obscurity into the spotlight reserved for bigoted fools who pretend to be knowledgeable.

Anonymous@ 7.19 am

Well, yes to what you say. But a good deal of educated Malays are painfully aware of the risk their otherwise vibrant nation is running by playing with these fringe elements. Same as in India. I speak from personal knowledge of Malaysia, Malays, Malaysian Chinese & Indians.

Anonymous @ 9.04 am

You bring a smile to me. Mahathir, an epitome of hubris :) So true!!! And so ineffective compared to Lee Kuan Yew. The wonderful way in which he pinned th results of his fiscal mismanagement on George Soros still makes many smile..

To add to Scomi, check up on Khazana Nasionals investments in India... Idea Cellular through Axiata.. Spanking new airports around the place.. and more.

Nothing wrong in encouraging Malaysian investements in India, if we can also convince them that Malaysia can benefit from ties with India, rather than with China. Else it will go the way of Thailand.

The anti-hindu thingy in some sections of Malay society is sad, but its also anti Christian, just as some sections of our population are anti Christian etc. ( Remember the Australian missionary ?)

In general, Malays are cool and nice folks. Its the uneducated sections that are prone to fanaticism, same as in our own country.

But good one Mahathir, s/o of Iskandar Kutty.... can a Kutty be from any other place than Gods Own Country :)

@ Chandrabhan

Its is not new solidarity. Its been there for a long time. Our Saif Ali Khan's uncle who was a Lt. Gen. in the Pakistani army was one of the first ambassadors to Malaysia and the founder of the many gentlemens sporting clubs there and in INdonesia. He was one of the first from the subcontinnet to get titles from Malaysia. Its a long term solidarity based on the being part of the Ummah. But the modern Malay knows better than to have his country allied to the premier rogue state in the world. CHange will come, albeit slowly.

Anonymous @ 2.31 pm -

VEry right sir/madam. The quote from the Quaran was the only good thing in the long joke. Sadly, they wonderfully talented ANALyst tries to misquote the Quran to suit his purpose... same as his brethren in the Madrassas of Pakistan. For the life of me, I could not figure out the connection between the very nice quote and the shit he wrote, despite his obvious attempts at contriving a connection. He is the kind who brings shame to all muslims, like the really wonderful muslim friends I have here in India and in many other countries.

RagingSilence said...

Pakistan should wait till India makes its own UCAVS and then buy it from us....:P

Anonymous said...

First remove the USAF UAV picture or remove PAK flag from it...

Mr. Ra said...

For cutting this joke, those pakis shall be given a squadron of X-47 Pegasusss as a new year gift and free of cost.

Raj said...

While we are all happy with ourselves with the PAK-FA and the like. The Islamists are looking for another whip to beat we "Infidels" with.

Even though India is much further ahead in terms of Pakistan, we also have to discount the Chinese who would readily give the Pakis technology and knowledge to counter India just to keep us tied down in South Asia.

It is time that India-Israel-Russia or even just India-Israel or India-Russia join together to start work in the UCAV arena. The government should issue "UCAV" bonds to the Indian public to raise money if need be and when the technology is mature, India and Israel can sell them profitably to counter the Islamist's machinations.

John said...

Guys instead of laughing this out.
Take your enemy seriously.....it is not Pakistan but it is China who is your enemy and what if China gives pakistan their J14 steath planes...

Guys keep strengthing your nation.

Tanmay said...

lol to be frank it looks like a college project article..
and a worst college project far from reality :D
i mean pakistan???developing UCAV??
roflmao

Mr. Ra said...

"The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better. Al Quran, 41:33"

If they really want it the correct way, they should surrender paki and merge back eternally with India. BTW, even if they don't want this, it will happen soon.

Anonymous said...

Everything written in Quran is true, but who will decide what is good & what is evil. Of course we are trying to repel the evil forces (read Pakistan) by inducting something better, like 5th gen fighter aircraft.

lspk said...

Shiv
Could you enquire with our scientists at DRDO whether India will develop a 1000 or 2000 km range brahmos-2 since import restrictions have been relaxed by U.S.A?

Could you bring a detailed report of the K-series missile?

Recently I noticed 2 reports in livefist where after postin the pics you removed them [ one was a pic "Russian Chief of General Staff Visits BrahMos" & the other was the pic of a lady beside drdo developed explosive detection kit ?

Livefist does look good now but dude whenever I bring the mouse pointer towards the title of a report it becomes white & hence "disappears".

And lastly the Tejas looks good beside livefist!

Anonymous said...

Could not stop laughing for ten minutes. Donated dingdong missiles from china is working well on pakistani mind!! lol UCAV!!! first build your own car and than think about anything else.

Anonymous said...

Hmm Waitin for these UCAV's to show Off ,atleast our AD Gunners will get some real time practice and some fun too ,shooting these Paki toys from the Sky.

M. Hussain said...

Sallam (peace). I happen to be the author and wish to clarify a few points. Firstly, I would like to ask for your forgiveness if I have personally insulted you or unjustly hurt you in any way whatsoever. To clarify, I do not hate India or Indians. I consider you, my fellow brothers in humanity. While living in the US, I have often befriended Indians. Yes, Pakistan and India are opponents, but I believe that that does not mean that there should be hate. You must read the paper in context – it’s a government policy proposition for the defense of Pakistan. Merely so.
If you ask me, we South Asians should all live in peace and build a common market and integrate as the EU has. This however, is not possible with one nation dominating the region. The way I see it, two possibilities of “peace” exists. One scenario can be considered negative peace – were one side overwhelms the other parties and thus conflicts are resolved de facto. For instance, if Germany conquers Europe, they could claim they brought peace to the whole region. The other kind is through mutual respect, joint strength, compromise, justice and understanding.
A major issue is Kashmir. You must understand that Kashmir is an issue close to our hearts, and the heart of every Muslim in this planet. This has to be resolved honestly and fairly, with justice. If you cannot resolve this amicably, do not expect us to read about the rape, extra-judicial torture and wholesale oppression. An American friend of mine, a white farmer from Vermont, hated Muslims at one point. He then visited Palestine whereupon he reversed his opinions. He came to do more for Palestine than I or most other Muslims. He visited Kashmir and has this to say: “If you think Palestine is bad, visit Kashmir”. You must understand that we cannot and will not ignore this.
Domination leads to injustice and oppression, and injustice and oppression is / leads to what can best be described as evil
You may laugh at my use of the Quran. But for me, the Quran is the source of all wisdom and knowledge, so our perspectives differ. I don’t believe in religion. That may sound strange to you. To explain, Islam is not a religion but a complete way of life. It does not call to blindly follow something. In fact, it calls to prove the Quran wrong if you can, investigate, reflect, research. Think. In essence, the book is saying “prove this wrong”. If you can’t, accept it. You can read more about this discussion here:
http://www.grandestrategy.com/2010/11/amazing-quran.html
The purpose of this is not to convert you to Islam. It’s unlikely (and Allah knows best) that a group of highly nationalistic Indians would care. The purpose is to explain my thinking, in the hope you can understand us better.
I subscribe to no grandiose plans to invade India and convert hindus by the sword. I am no apologist to terrorism, in fact, if you know who I am and what I have said publicly, you’d know that I oppose terrorism and am very vocal about it.
On a side note, GrandeStrategy is not based anywhere. If tomorrow I’m sitting in Karachi, I’d merely sign of as Karachi, Pakistan. For that matter, I’d sign off Timbuktu if that’s where I am while writing a piece. There is no physical address as we are not funded by anyone other than our own pockets. Members are from diverse geographic locations. Best for no strings attached thinking.
I leave you with a general link related to Islam. Why? For we have not believed until we want for our fellow man, what we want for ourselves.
www.bayyinah.com/media
And on a lighter note:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJeKS0gNz48

M. Hussain said...

Sallam (peace). I happen to be the author and wish to clarify a few points. Firstly, I would like to ask for your forgiveness if I have personally insulted you or unjustly hurt you in any way whatsoever. To clarify, I do not hate India or Indians. I consider you, my fellow brothers in humanity. While living in the US, I have often befriended Indians.

Yes, Pakistan and India are opponents, but I believe that that does not mean that there should be hate. You must read the paper in context – it’s a government policy proposition for the defense of Pakistan. Merely so.

If you ask me, we South Asians should all live in peace and build a common market and integrate as the EU has. This however, is not possible with one nation dominating the region. The way I see it, two possibilities of “peace” exists. One scenario can be considered negative peace – were one side overwhelms the other parties and thus conflicts are resolved de facto. For instance, if Germany conquers Europe, they could claim they brought peace to the whole region. The other kind is through mutual respect, joint strength, compromise, justice and understanding.

A major issue is Kashmir. You must understand that Kashmir is an issue close to our hearts, and the heart of every Muslim in this planet. This has to be resolved honestly and fairly, with justice. If you cannot resolve this amicably, do not expect us to read about the rape, extra-judicial torture and wholesale oppression. An American friend of mine, a white farmer from Vermont, hated Muslims at one point. He then visited Palestine whereupon he reversed his opinions. He came to do more for Palestine than I or most other Muslims. He visited Kashmir and has this to say: “If you think Palestine is bad, visit Kashmir”. You must understand that we cannot and will not ignore this.

M. Hussain said...

Part II:

You may laugh at my use of the Quran. But for me, the Quran is the source of all wisdom and knowledge, so our perspectives differ. I don’t believe in religion. That may sound strange to you. To explain, Islam is not a religion but a complete way of life. It does not call to blindly follow something. In fact, it calls to prove the Quran wrong if you can, investigate, reflect, research. Think. In essence, the book is saying “prove this wrong”. If you can’t, accept it. You can read more about this discussion here:
http://www.grandestrategy.com/2010/11/amazing-quran.html
The purpose of this is not to convert you to Islam. It’s unlikely (and Allah knows best) that a group of highly nationalistic Indians would care. The purpose is to explain my thinking, in the hope you can understand us better.
I subscribe to no grandiose plans to invade India and convert hindus by the sword. I am no apologist to terrorism, in fact, if you know who I am and what I have said publicly, you’d know that I oppose terrorism and am very vocal about it.
On a side note, GrandeStrategy is not based anywhere. If tomorrow I’m sitting in Karachi, I’d merely sign of as Karachi, Pakistan. For that matter, I’d sign off Timbuktu if that’s where I am while writing a piece. There is no physical address as we are not funded by anyone other than our own pockets. Members are from diverse geographic locations. Best for no strings attached thinking.
I leave you with a general link related to Islam. Why? For we have not believed until we want for our fellow man, what we want for ourselves.
www.bayyinah.com/media
And on a lighter note:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJeKS0gNz48

Last but not the least: Happy holidays.

Shiv Aroor said...

Mr Hussein: Feel free to comment here with your views. However, do not post links to sites on religion (why would anyone post a general link to any religion -- are you nuts?). I'm allowing your existing comment to stay since this post is about your "report".

ArkAngel said...

@ M Hussain
"....This however, is not possible with one nation dominating the region......"
That one nation dominates the region because it chooses to focus on economic development while the other chooses religious extremism & export of terrorism.
Pakistan was born of religion & lives off the hatred towards India.
BTW, India is not a "Hindu country" as many in Pakistan choose to believe. Its a secular country where the nation comes above religion. Ofcourse every country has a few idiots running around.

"Kashmir is an issue close to our hearts, and the heart of every Muslim in this planet."
What about Indian hearts ?
As a Christian in India i wouldnt part with Kashmir in a million years!

Instead of 'thinking' up papers on how Pakistan can match India militarily why dont you write papers on how Pakistan can get out of the dangerous spiraling hole it now is in, and how it can compete with India economically.

keshto said...

I dont believe in religion


However, you start your blog with the following:

In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

and the Introduction with:

Bismillaharrahmanarraheem.

And then you quote Al Quran, 41:33

And despite above you beg for benefit of doubt?

Are you here to start a circus?

Anonymous said...

Mr Hussain,

as for creating a EU like zone I must remind you the fact that prior to Kargil, there was a proposal for creating a SARC Currency, floated by then Indian prime minister Mr. Atal Bihari Vajpayee, which was obviously rejected by Pakistan. As for unity there was a proposal by the same government to mark 150 yr of first war of independence (We were the same country before that and people like bhjagat singh gave their life for united India and were hanged in Lahore. but this proposal too was rejected by Government of Pakistan although Bangladesh accepted it.

I do believe in humanity and living with peace but may I ask you as who was responsible for things like operation gibraltor and Kargil. you might want to bring Siachin here , but please don't do that as you might not have read the entire history for the same.

Not to mention the very famous Hospitality shown by Pakistan to MR. SM krishna on his latest Pakistan Visit, or question asked to Mrs sushma swaraj PTV on her visit to pakistan.

Or for that matter when pakistan gave awards to hijacker who hijacked a civilian plane from India and took it to pakistan.
contd..

Anonymous said...

Contd...

Now, as far as jobs for third grade Indian officials is concern, so as a tax payer I would like to tell you that I'm paying those officials and it is none of your business to whatever they do neither do you have any right to comment on their grade whatever they are, they are my countrymen, working for my people, so please stay away from that.
As far as visiting Kashmir is concern I hope you must have visited baloochistan, SWAT, Pakhtoonwa, FATA, POK etc. and I hope you must be aware of how luxuries life people there are having.

and I've a question to you as why on earth u will use UCAV's for kmaikaze, don't you have cruise missiles ??
By the way ""J-UCAV" looks good, as J series is designed and developed by China perhaps you yourself knows that if and when Pakistan inducts an UCAV it would be a China produce.

As far as Quran is concern, I've utmost respect for it and for the religion and I agree with you argument that it is a book full of knowledge, but I would like to mention one thing that is: quran is for humanity and peace. Please do not misuse it like a terrorist to support you mindless war strategy. If you have the brain and if (big if) have the guts keep religion out of war, be a man and talk like a man.

Your paper was nice piece with very few spelling and grammatical errors.
I wonder why on earth you don't use a word software??


Kind Regards and best wishes
for peace and love

M. Hussain said...

Sallam (peace), some quick responses:
@ArkAngel: that is exactly what I write about primarily. You can search GrandeStrategy for "21st Century Islamic State" or order a hard copy from most major retail book stores including in India to see my thoughts on how Muslims (and Pakistan) can deal with our problems. Military strategy is but a small part of my output.

@keshto. Islam to me is not a religion but a complete way of life based on reason and rationality. Thus, my statement is not contradictory from my point of view. Of course, your POV will differ.

@Anon 2:40AM: Again, I want positive peace, of mutual respect and partnership rather than dominance of one nation over another. I want to see Kashmiris free from oppression (this does not necessarily mean they have to break away from India or become part of Pakistan). India unfortunately has not been sincere in any peace venture or to create a common market. Bangladesh's experience with India is testament to this. Politicians say one thing and do another. To really break free, IMHO, the people of the subcontinent need to get rid of the politicians present today and if better cannot be found, to conduct negotiations directly between people. For this to happen, Kashmir needs to be solved, then CBMs need to be put in place, borders need to be opened and nationalism (for all sides) needs to be put in the back burner. Or so I think. But then, what I think or you think matters little in the present world and circumstances. We have opinions and we share them. If you don't agree, that's okay, I'm not going to start insulting you over it.

Kindest regards,

Meinhaj Hussain

Anonymous said...

Dreaming is free of cost, so dream.

Anonymous said...

this is ano2:40,

Mr hussain

Thanx for not discussing any of the issue. As for India shying away from the peace process is concern I would ask you to please go and read an Impartial piece if history not the one presented by Pakistan military and media. Why Bangladesh broke away from pakistan, what was need for pakistan army to kill more than a million bangladeshi civilians and rape and torture.
As far as torture or oppression in Kashmir is concern I dare both you and entire Pakistan media to have a unbiased look at situation there and then comment. Indian army is not one of those armies which kills their own citizens in the name of war against terror and then releases the videos of such killings. In kashmir there is a government elected by the people of Kashmir and its only kashmiris who are ruling there (Fact accepted even the most rude and idiotic foreign minister ever none other tha Mr shah mehmood qureshi ), and if you keeps the track of incident you have have read the news of hired stone pelter's who were hired for rs 400 per week. And I would like to tell you to please come and compare the lives of minorities in India and kashmir with the lives of minorities in pakistan who are seeking political asylums in other countries and not even a single notable minority has emerged or been allowed to emerge on national and international level by teh very pakistan government and society.
contd

Anonymous said...

contd..
is there any justification as why Pakistan did kargil right after historical bus ride by Indian prime minister and Lahore summit, why Mumbai attacks happened even after sharm al sheikh do you have any answers. Can you remind me an incidence where India derailed peace process in such a fashion. You can't expect us to keep talking to a government which supports terrorists in our country and indirectly kills our civilians, you might dare to talk about baloochistan but your government is yet to provide a single evidence to international community even after so many years. And for people of pakistan I can only say, you guys do not have a brain else why on earth someone who is seemingly literate will release such a paper using useless language, and why on earth you guys even after loosing 4 wars dreams to beat a country which has much more power and resources to beat you. In my view people of pakistan are not less guilty as they support and donates to terrorists (so called jehadis )fighting in Kashmir, and they support them. why do you people thinks of kashmir when mor ethan half of your country is on fire and the rest half is under water. You guys cheer for your airforce and start dreaming of a defeated India when you get second hand f-16's, and it doesn't bothers you as why your airforce is short of reilef helicopters, both during earth quake and flood, why you guys don't ask questions to your government as why tags of "made in India" were removed from aid sent by India and why fund has not been accepted. isn't it an act of dirty politics. When your prime minister says your F-16 has locked on mirage do you guys even have any idea as at that point of time PAF don't even have any AA missile, or for that matter mirage is not a piece of junk. Why you guys don't understands that all what is happening in Pakistan will destroy it, it has gone bankrupt yet buying weapons, there are suicide bombing everyday yet u talks of bombs ...?? isn't it means that all people of pakistan knows is bombs and only bombs they only know about killing and can only talk about killing. If you remember the comment of pakistan cricket player sohail tanvir which in my view reflects the views of larger pakistani society, and in that context you talks about peace how ..can you pleas explain..?? I hope you are not going to avoid my questions this time around and will answer at least few of them as this time it not just about the politicians of Pakistan , but about the people of pakistan

Anonymous said...

contd..
is there any justification as why Pakistan did kargil right after historical bus ride by Indian prime minister and Lahore summit, why Mumbai attacks happened even after sharm al sheikh do you have any answers. Can you remind me an incidence where India derailed peace process in such a fashion. You can't expect us to keep talking to a government which supports terrorists in our country and indirectly kills our civilians, you might dare to talk about baloochistan but your government is yet to provide a single evidence to international community even after so many years. And for people of pakistan I can only say, you guys do not have a brain else why on earth someone who is seemingly literate will release such a paper using useless language, and why on earth you guys even after loosing 4 wars dreams to beat a country which has much more power and resources to beat you.

Anonymous said...

contd..

In my view people of pakistan are not less guilty as they support and donates to terrorists (so called jehadis )fighting in Kashmir, and they support them. why do you people thinks of kashmir when mor ethan half of your country is on fire and the rest half is under water. You guys cheer for your airforce and start dreaming of a defeated India when you get second hand f-16's, and it doesn't bothers you as why your airforce is short of reilef helicopters, both during earth quake and flood, why you guys don't ask questions to your government as why tags of "made in India" were removed from aid sent by India and why fund has not been accepted. isn't it an act of dirty politics. When your prime minister says your F-16 has locked on mirage do you guys even have any idea as at that point of time PAF don't even have any AA missile, or for that matter mirage is not a piece of junk. Why you guys don't understands that all what is happening in Pakistan will destroy it, it has gone bankrupt yet buying weapons, there are suicide bombing everyday yet u talks of bombs ...?? isn't it means that all people of pakistan knows is bombs and only bombs they only know about killing and can only talk about killing. If you remember the comment of pakistan cricket player sohail tanvir which in my view reflects the views of larger pakistani society, and in that context you talks about peace how ..can you pleas explain..?? I hope you are not going to avoid my questions this time around and will answer at least few of them as this time it not just about the politicians of Pakistan , but about the people of pakistan

Anonymous said...

did you rejected my first few comments...why

satbir said...

To Mr. Hussain,
I went through your article as well as your comments. They were full of controversies and partial judgment. Some were also funny.
You said that you have nothing to do with the religion but are uses the name of God in discussion which are political. Stop using Religion for Political benefits.
You talk about peace and blame India for de-stabling the military balance of the region. I was dieing to read something about the pakistani policy of using terrorism from you. Isn’t that de-stabling peace in the region? But you turned blind eye on that. Also forgot that it is pakistan always responsible for starting war or de-stabling the region. India has always tried to bring peace in the region but Pakistan replied with Kargil and terrorism.
You talk about Kashmir matter, but forgot to say anything about ISI who is funding riots in the valley, sending terrorist there to kill people and trying to put the blame on India. And what about the other side of Kashmir (POK), baloochistan, SWAT, Pakhtoonwa, FATA in Pakistan which has turned out to be even worst with terrorist camps, rape, extra-judicial torture and mind-wash in the name of religion. Killing all the Hindu’s there. Well that doesn’t come out because there is no freedom for journalist and media in Pakistan and people like you will turn blind eye on that.
cont..

satbir said...

You tried to show yourself as a Muslim robin-hood and put all the blames on India but you are just and self-employed think-tank who is using the name of God for political benefits. Where did your so called Muslim robin-hood go when Indian Muslim were killed alongside Indian Hindu’s in 26/11 attack plotted by Pakistan ISI.
Quran is the source of all wisdom and knowledge and supports peace and prosperity just like other holy books like Bible, Bhagwant Geeta, Guru Grant Sahab etc. But it is sad to know that people like you use the name of holy books for you evil acts. Your efforts will go waste because Indian Muslims and Hindu’s will always standing united against your acts and will laugh at you.
cont....

satbir said...

Now lets talk about some funny parts of your article.
You said that most expensive part of a jet is cockpit glass and ejection seat. LOL I thought engine and avionics were more expensive. Hehehe. Absence of glass and ejection seat and life support equipments will reduce cost of UCAV, but what about the master computer that will handle all the work that was initially done by man, It also should be so strong that it cannot be hacked. Is that free of cost? LOL. A ground pilot will monitor the UCAV which means there need to be a strong, jammed proof connection and datalink between them even better than what goes in 5gen jet. Isn’t that also expensive and very difficult to develop.
There won’t be cockpit avionics, but won’t all that avionics go on the ground station where the pilot will be sitting.
cont

satbir said...

Highly autonomous UCAV will not need constant communication. But what about the sophisticated hardware and software required to make them. Are you thinking that it’s a 2 line code. Well I am a software engineer and let me tell you that even simplest 1 to 1 messenger need 2 long pages of code to operate on LAN (not on internet). I made a simple college project. It went up to 3000 lines. Total of 9 files. Gtalk way go up to thousands lines.
A fighter aircraft needs millions line of coding and the complexity also goes high. UCAV will require ten times the amount of coding and complexity as compared to fighter.
Pakistan does not have technologies to build 5th gen jet so should move ahead to develop 6th gen. LOL that’s funny like you cant build a boat so should build a carrier.
Mr Hussain thank you for this new year joke.

Unmai Virumbi said...

What is the problem here I did not understand. First of all 'Grand Strategy' is not Kuala Lumpur-based institute rather it is Islamabad based institute. Anyway, it is their job to counter for their country. It is our job to upgrade our system for our country. I hope you agree this.