Sunday, January 08, 2012

What Should The Indian Army Chief Do?

It's one of the most unseemly controversies in recent memory, with folks now sure that the current Chief of Army Staff will be remembered for nothing other than this battle over his year of birth. India Today magazine has the story on its cover this week. What do you think the Chief should do? Vote and comment below.


36 comments :

Anonymous said...

Honestly, Govt does not have many choices. The Govt would have dealt with many many such cases before. The Govt will do what it has done before. There is no overriding reason to set a new precedent.

It is surprising that there is so much debate on this matter. It was the army's responsibility to sort the age issue over the career of the General. Now the GoI has to deal with the muck. A lot of heat is being generated as if the GoI is somehow responsible.

muslim bhagawat said...

IT IS PRE-MEDITATED WITCH HUNT BY CHRISTAIN CORRUPT ITALIAN MAFIA GOVT BY/OF/FOR SONIA MAINO.WHEN VKSINGH DIDNOT SUCCUMB 2 PRESSURES FROM UPA GOVT 2 ALLOW PURCHASE OF INFERIORS ARMAMENTS FROM ITALIAM MAFIA GOVT DUG UP HIS PAST AND WANTED 2 GET RID OF HIM BY PRE MATURE RETIREMENT BY NOT ACCEPTING HIS DOB AS PER HSC CERTIFICATE BUT ACCEPTING THE UPSC FORM DOB AS PROOF OF BIRTH.ALSO VKSINGH OPPOSED GOVTS PROPOSAL TO WITHDRAW AFSPA AND ARMY FROM KASHMIR AS DEMANDED BY OMAR ABDULLAH.HIS STRAITFORWARDNESS AND UPRIGHT HAS UNNERVED THE GOVT.SO THEY REJECTED ALL HIS PRAYERS AND ALSO THE AG VAHANAVATIW AS ASKED TO REJECT HIS CLAIMS OF DOB.IN FACT DOB OF HSC IS ACTUAL DOB IN ALL ASPECTS AND RESPECTS.BUT WHY GOVT TEND TO ACCEPT DOB IN UPSC FROM IS HIGHLY SUSPCIOUS.IF VKSINGH WUD BE OUSTED MY MANIPULATIONS AND ARBITRAIRY METHODS BY UPA GOVT FUTURE OF INDIAN ARMY WOULD BE IN JEOPARDY.

साकेत रंजन आजाद said...

I do not think so that The General is doing anything wrong. He is just asking for what are within his rights. And the government has for so long been taking army and its officers for granted. I feel pity and irresponsibility on part of those who are criticizing the General. Why should he not be fighting for his own rights. No body expects our politicians to sacrifice their rights. But everybody in this case wants the general to sacrifice what is his!

Anonymous said...

Shiv - what you think the General should do? Also, General was born at a military hospital in Pune. Shouldnt be very difficult for India Today to find out the truth.

Aaditya Bhatt said...

I don't know whether is a substance in his claim about his date of birth or not. But as the Chief of Army he knows almost all the secrets of Indian Army. Being humiliated by the Government can turn him outrageous and rebellious, which in turns might ignite a chain of very disastrous consequences for the National Security.

Harish said...

Why did the Govt. wait till he became the Head of Indian Army.. shouldn't this homework be done before appointing him as the Army General..

Harish said...

Why did the Govt. wait till he became the Head of Indian Army.. shouldn't this homework be done before appointing him as the Army General..

Anonymous said...

if the age would have helped him to become the chief it could be called ambition and be justly justified. In this is case it appears pure greed why do such a thing after reaching the apex not graceful and gentlemanly at all

Anonymous said...

Its no wrong to fight for justice,whoever post the person is. Specially this arrogant italian mafia needs to be taught lesson. That india is independent no longer western slaves.

Frostbite_IR said...

@muslim bhagawat..i assume by "christain corrupt govt" u meant christian corrupt govt..if so it is a racial comment on a religion..its appreciable that u r angry against a corrupt govt but it cannot be a pretext to speak against a religion which i am sure quite a number of brave Indian soldiers profess..

TheRealSlimKD said...

Intelligence B, RAW and Mil Int people need to be sacked for allowing such a person to be made into COAS. He had recourse to redressal from the date of being enrolled in uniform, and if he hasnt managed to convince the powers that be, then he should be flushed out at first chance. All this Italian armaments and Political furore is crap.
he has been a COAS involved full time with his own case, that many promotional results, board/cadre results have been kept pending. Every one of his junior officers has had a bitter taste of him as COAS.
Remove him.

Anonymous said...

Heard of Indian Military Discipline... is this the famed Discipline???...

coolgeek said...

Honestly, I would like the army stage a coup against this corrupt government and impotent democratic system... and develop the country for the common man's good. All elections should be cancelled still India is transformed into a developed country, just like what china is doing now...

DK said...

@ realslimkd-All the govt. official be sacked. :D

Anonymous said...

Hey Shiv

I have always appreciated your good work.
In this case rather than getting the country to vote on what a individual should do, public opinion should be mobilized on what the MOD should do.

What's the point in pushing a person into to dual minds against his won people.

I wish this happens.

Anonymous said...

@TheRealSlimKD:
you don't seem to be aware of the issue here. There are 30 documents which validate the chief's claim on his date of birth including his matriculation certificate, driving license, even the army's AG branch (which maintains records of date of birth for army officers) says its 1951.. its only one document in the MS branch which says he was born in 1950.
there were no issues with his age documents till he reached the rank of lt. general and all of this confusion came about only after he initiated strict action against lt. general avdesh prakash (main accused in sukhna land scam) who incidently happened to be posted in MS branch at the time!.. there are clearly personal vested interests at play here... 3 former chief justices of our country also support gen. VK singh's stand on this issue. anyone you talk to in the military circles, regards gen. VK singh as one of the best army chiefs we've had, probably only second to field Marshall Sam Manek Shaw... he has gona about in a big way removing corruption from the system and that's the reason he's not too popular in the political and beurocratic circles... and lastly, how is the IB, RAW and army intelligence even related to this issue??....

Suyash said...

Shiv, what's with your buddy Unnithan's hit job on the chief? His whole piece reeks of a hatchet job of epic proportions.

What's going on?

Anonymous said...

what should he do ? He should show the middle finger to the govt. and drag their asses to court and expose them. That's what he should do, plain and simple.

Anonymous said...

This only calls to establish a better selection process for COAS post or even perhaps for other posts. Either ways, did the current COAS made an issue of this DOB issue only now or he has been working on this even before he became COAS?..If it is just now, then he erred!.

-sudheendra s

Satish Chandra said...

The paramount consideration must be national security. After the 1998 nuclear tests, I had written expressing doubt about Vajpayee's loyalty and trustworthiness, at which he gave up control of India's nuclear weapons to K. R. Narayanan who was president (see my blog titled 'Nuclear Supremacy For India Over U.S.' which can be found by a Yahoo/Google search with the title). On September 7, 2011 I wrote:"NEW AIR FORCE CHIEF IS CIA-RAW MAN AS IS NEW ARMY CHIEF-DESIGNATE". After that I have written: "When I say the new Chief of Air Staff, N. A. K. Browne, is a CIA-RAW man, I mean he literally sits at CIA-supplied terminals to participate in crimes against India. More than a thousand Indian Air Force aircraft have crashed since 1970, the vast majority of the crashes caused by microwaves from U. S. satellites which can hack into and operate any digital equipment. In his first week in office as Chief of Air Staff, Browne caused two Indian Air Force fighter planes to crash with microwaves from satellites, to give a boost to his bid to buy worse than worthless foreign aircraft for several tens of billions of dollars of which he will get a hefty cut along with the Defence Minister and the Italian woman who gets the largest cut. The Sukhoi crash on Dec. 13 '11 and the grounding of the Sukhoi fleet has been caused 2 days ahead of the purchase decision as the purchase was made impossible by my opposition to it. See IndianAirForcePilotsMurderDOTblogspotDOTcom . " From what I have said about the new Air Force Chief, he cannot stay in office. From what I have said about the new Army Chief-designate, he cannot take office. India's CIA-RAW-controlled government is in a hurry to bring a CIA-RAW man as Army Chief. That must not be allowed.
Satish Chandra

Anonymous said...

Deeds of Kangress...

Anna retired hurt, with no clue of future
COAS has given up, with no clue what to do with his honor
People of India, retired hurt with no clue about our future
MMRCA in box, with airforce and defence companies clueless

Everybody here is clueless...
PS: even our cricket team appears clueless.

Anonymous said...

He should fight it out while in office. Strange, but it is the responsibility of everyone to keep the honor and integrity of their profession/society/country except the politician.

The politicians can do whatever they want and when someone tries to stand up to it issues of honor and professional integrity are brought about.

Will India Today ever put up Sonia G on its cover with the headline Big Chief, Small Woman. The headline is apt for her as well. It will never, for it understands the ability of the establishment to hit back. The COAS can not hit back and hence everyone takes pot shots at him.

VKS has done a lot to clean up the army of corrupt officers at the top. He has also worked hard at restoring the morale of the force. A very welcome change after the mess 'DK Boss' left it in.

Anonymous said...

What did Krishna tell Arjuna in the great bttlefield ?

Fight and fight. That is your right. Forget the results as that is not in your hands.

Hrishikesh said...

General Kapoor has been cleaning up the army unlike the previous general. He has penalized people involved in Sukna, Adarsh and other misdemeanours. Its not surprising that this issue has arisen while these scams have been exposed and in many of these the present regime has been involved. No doubt General Kapoor is being made to pay for this actions. Dont believe - the previous General is the Governor of Arunachal Pradesh. Lets see if General Kapoor gets to hold any office after his retirement, let alone become a Governor of a state.

This regime is not leaving even the army alone.

Rohit Agarwal said...

What is essentially the issue of an individual grievance has been given a spin making into issues ranging from morale of the armed forces to civil-military relations. The issue, shorn to basics is:-
- His DoB was recorded as 1950 in the official documents.
- It was never officially changed to 1951 either in AG's branch or MS branch. If the contention is that it is recorded as 1951 in AG's branch, it means it was done within two years as per the stipulations. If so, they should be able to produce the authority based on which it was changed, and then there is no dispute.
- If they can not produce the authority under which it was changed within two years, then they need to explain under what circumstances is it recorded as 1951.
- If the issue is that of honour, has the honour woken up after assuming the office of the chief? Where was this honour when a written undertaking was given in order to get the next promotion? Shouldn't the issue have been taken up then and fought tooth and nail, if needs be in courts? But at that stage it would have affected his chances of promotion - so he chose promotion over honour then, and is now raising the honour issue now that he personally has nothing to lose. Of course, that the office of the COAS and the image of the Army has taken a beating is of no consequence to him.
- So now an attempt is being made to hold the govt at ransom, with the morale, honour and image being paraded as hostages.

As regards the options, going to court is not an option as he is well aware since the legal position is not tenable. All the hue and cry is now being raised in the hope that the govt will toss a lollypop (governorship / ambassadorship) as a settlement.

Anonymous said...

@Hrishikesh

General Kapoor was the creator or enthusiastic participant of the problems you have listed.

I think you meant Gen VK Singh.

www.bharatgaurav.com said...

What is wrong in the General fighting for his right he is not doing that an Army personnel must not do

Anonymous said...

Why did the General enter a wrong date in his application form despite knowing his date of birth ? What is the penalty for providing wrong information in job application form in any organization ? Why was the correction not made over a 30 year career if it was an innocent error ? Is the General a victim or an offender ? What happens in all other arms of the Government in similar situations ? Is the General going back on his commitment to the MoD ? Is this matter acquiring such importance only because the complainant is the COAS ? Is this how all matters pertaining to the services be sorted out ?

Anonymous said...

The general enters a wrong date in job application form and expects MoD to change his date of birth at the end of his career !! Is there honor in making a fuss after committing to the Government that he will not take up the date of birth issue later !!

Anonymous said...

After making such a fuss, how does the general plan to deal with the MoD, press and people ?

Satish Chandra said...

INDIA'S MILITARY CHIEFS LICK BOOTS OF THE WHITE MASTER. They should be licking my boots instead or they are headed for the compost heap. They did not mind licking the boots of George Fernandes who faked an inability to speak for several years to avoid having to answer for his collaboration in crimes against me and against India. Vajpayee is still faking an inability to speak for the same reason. I am infinitely better than either of them. I am India's expert in strategic defence, the father of India's strategic program including the Integrated Guided Missile Development Program, the world's greatest scientist (my biography is in Marquis' Who's Who in the World, 2012 and earlier editions) and India's legitimate ruler. JOIN INDIA'S WAR OF INDEPENDENCE, go to JoinIndiaWarOfIndependence.blogspot.com. There you will also find a reference to K. Subrahmanyam staging his fake death and fleeing to the United States to escape punishment for his crimes against me and sabotage of India's defence. A link there also shows him, along with the CIA Director Michael Hayden, coming on line on August 9, 2008 and offering to transfer one crore rupees into my account within 48 hours if I agree to cooperate with them. Less than a week after I wrote, on September 13 '11, that RAW -- which works as a branch of the CIA against India -- will have to be rubbed out and all its present and past employees killed, a former head of RAW, from 2007 to 2009, Ashok Chaturvedi staged his fake death, at the age of 63, from 'multiple organ failure'. When I wrote about a former head of RAW, Vikram Sood, citing the white Christian headmaster of a missionary school he attended as the fount of all wisdom on various issues in a column in Hindustan Times and referring to Indians as worshippers of snakes and monkeys on a Times of India blog, this bugger Chaturvedi put in the media an 'expose' of himself and his wife using government aircraft to visit temples. Around September 18 '11, after ending his fake inability to speak, Fernandes had a video posted on Bharat-Rakshak showing him having a photograph of the Italian whcre removed from a group of photographs, of former President Rajendra Prasad, etc., at the Constitution Club, demanding on what basis her photograph was put there (" because she is white?") because around September 11 '11 I had written "The head of the Strategic Forces Command is a Christian and now the head of the Indian Air Force is also a Christian, not to mention that the Defence Minister is a Christian as was his predecessor [Fernandes] -- motivated appointments, at the direction of the CIA, of armed forces chiefs who would be loyal to the Italian whcre and to the white countries, expressly made to prevent India from emerging from slavery." But India's armed forces chiefs lick the boots of the White Master regardless of their religion.

Satish Chandra

Anonymous said...

anon@11:44 and anon@12:03
The general never entered a wrong date of birth anywhere, the army's AG branch(the branch responsible for keeping records of date of birth) says its 1951, his driving license says its 1951, his matriculation certificate says 1951, his records at MH (military hospital) say its 1951..... there is only one document in the MS branch where it says his date of birth is 1950, and thats the document which the govt. is treating as the gospel truth because they want him out quick... afterall the government doesn't want an honest and strong man as the army chief.... i suggest you research about the issue, get your facts cleared before commenting like this!....

Satish Chandra said...

I had asked the Indian Army to arrest the top one thousand or so officers of RAW. It has not done so. But, as I have said, India's nuclear forces obey Satish Chandra. He does not need India's conventional forces or the rest of the government and citizenry to defend India which requires the destruction of RAW which will be done by nuclear means, that is, the simultaneous nuclear destruction of New Delhi, Washington and New York, with a warning that additional U. S. cities will be destroyed, with nuclear warheads already emplaced in them by special forces, if there is any retaliation.

The following is my comment that was posted in The Pioneer on a column titled "Resetting ties with Israel" by a former ambassador to several countries:-

-------------------START OF COMMENT--------------------
Indians as a rule are inferior Indian niggers unfit to talk about strategic matters, especially if it involves the White Master in any way, which it always does. That is why in his 'Mein Kampf' Adolf Hitler said "As for India, I would rather see India under the British than under any one else". It is not just that a handful of the British from half way around the world ruled India for centuries; a lot of other people from various countries did that for a thousand years before that. // A modern day Babar will start each day by killing a million Indians before breakfast every morning, though some think three million will be better (this number can be herded into fairly small extermination circles and then a neutron bomb exploded over them). // I am an Indian, but as far above the other Indians as they may be above cockroaches. See InferiorIndianNiggersDOTblogspotDOTcom .

The author of this column is a perfect example of the inferior Indian niggers. He sees nothing wrong in depending on a nation of six million people for India's security when the Jews have been committing crimes, unprecedented in human history, against the world's greatest scientist and the greatest living Indian ... for four decades and thus are responsible for keeping India poor, weak and enslaved.

This is what the Jews, Americans and RAW have been doing for the past 35 years to the world's greatest scientist and greatest living Indian:-
[See ThisIsWhatTheJewsHaveBeenDoingDOTblogspotDOTcom ]

Anonymous said...

Shiv,
Haven't you heard of lobbies in the army. Lieutenant General Bikram Singh has one stronly lobbying for him & surely the army will lose a sterling professional soldier if Lieutenant General Parnaik is not made the chief. And if General VK Singh is asking for justice - it's his right to go to the court. Government is (as usual) playing dirty and trampling an honest officer and promoting one with the right connections & clout. Shame !

Anonymous said...

Simple, Army chief should go to court and expose the govt and arms dealer mafia behind the conspiracy. This is such an ill founded conspiracy that it shows govt does not want an honest spotless army chief to be at the top anymore. Govt has arranged his DOB is such a way to employ a flexible vikram singh (whose daughter inlaw is pakistani) who has been in controversy wherever he went. So for the greater good of the national security, keep the army free from illegalities and to boost the strong system of integrity within army, Gen Singh must not buckle under govts threatening of dismissing him. People are with him.

Anonymous said...

The General's case is an unfortunate legal tangle. It's likely he's right, but being right is not enough in law. What also matters is what has been mutually accepted. For years, the General accepted the 1950 date, which is what makes it legally binding, which is why the AG has endorsed it.

This battle is not for the common man or the common officer to get enmeshed in. Let the General and the government thrash it out the way they can. This is a personal matter.

I hope the best comes out from this for the General, the country, the central government, and the army.