Friday, May 03, 2013

Of India-China Border Meetings

I've posted this picture from October 2006 before here on Livefist, but I always return to it at times like these. It feels absurd reporting on failed border meetings between the Indian Army and PLA. This border meeting I covered was notable for just how cheery it was, how little 'work' really got done, and how much officers and both sides preferred simply exchanging gifts and knocking back a few. This was Bum La in Arunachal Pradesh in a tent about a kilometre across the LAC in Tibet. Things were are pretty healthy there. Unlike in Ladakh.

The situation in Ladakh is grave. A platoon strength force of PLA soldiers has set up camp about 19-km inside Indian territory in the Depsang valley to the South-East of Daulat Beg Oldie, where India has one of its highest forward airfields. The position is supplied by trucks from two units across the LAC in Aksai China, a piece of Ladakh occupied by China for decades. The Indian Army has proposed a host of calibrated response options, but remains constrained by the government. India's Foreign Minister is scheduled to visit China on May 9, and will be followed later this month perhaps, by the Defence Minister. It is an unprecedented situation because this is the first time in a history of intrusions and counter-intrusions where a Chinese camp has refused to withdraw, and continues to be resupplied via a route back to its unit across the LAC.

An Army Searcher Mk.2 conducted two aerial sorties over the Chinese camp today to videograph activity. The video has been shared with the National Security Advisor, External Affairs Ministry and the Prime Minister's Office. Will be posting more on the stand-off in the days ahead.

22 comments :

Anonymous said...

No one is looking for war, but dragging one's feet in this invasion essentially encourages further aggression. Troops can made a mistake if it is a few or few hundred meters. 19km is a calculated move by Beijing. What will change from a visit by India foreign minister when this micro invasion is approved by China politburo no doubt. China is gaining strength in Asia and it is bullying its neighbors from North to South. A weak response from New Delhi does not help any one in the region. I would capture the Chinese soldiers and expulse them home. What will China do? going to war sure is not going to help China economy. India needs to send the required message to Beijing: do not mess with me.

Anonymous said...

Those guys seem to be in normal clothing and you seem to have exterme winter clothing. You should eat more and be fit

ABID said...

Hi Shiv,
Can't Indian Army's one platoon interdict 10 Km within chinese territory and camp there.
Or cant's one of our artillery shell land on the head of paltoon and decimate them.
After any such action, we can talk later.. diplomatically in FM / DM visit. For God's sake Let's do some action.

Anonymous said...

they came... saw... drowned... conquered... went back...

Anonymous said...

India is engulfed by corrupt politicians, religious hatred of minority communities and caste system.
To make matters worse the military scandals have left Indian army looks like a dummy force ... we just donot have the firepower to beat our enemies..
While our political leader are fighting among themselves for power and media attention China has quitely made its move and invaded India at Daulat Beg Oldie, the next step of China would be strike at the heart of Kashmir .... this is meek surrender of India ...
Pakistan too is unafraid of Indian forces and beheads them with impunity... while our political leaders cry crocodile tears and plead for mercy from Pakistan...

India does not have the balls to fight enemies at present so very soon India will cease to exist ... with it our freedom , our families, our constitution ,our laws and land ... what would happen then if they rape our women after India surrenders to China and Pakistan ?


Unknown said...

Per reports DBO ALG is just 2-3 km from the border, and this Despang La plains are just south of it.

It does not make sence to me how they can be 19km from border.

Can you please clarify.

-David Benjamin

Anonymous said...

Cut off their supply lines. Obstruct their trucks. Buzz the camp with sorties. Duh!!

sents said...

This is nothing more than a diversion china want to create as in Tibet there are lot of suicides against Chinese rule and also even inside china there are lot of people fighting against government. Government is trying to turn peoples attention and a way to unite them.
But if India doesn't have corruption all our troops are equipped well, Chinese wouldn't have dared to enter, they know we are not well equipped and this is the cost of it. This is the best time to hang all the corrupted arms dealers. Really a national shame.

Anonymous said...

Those guys seem to be in normal clothing and you seem to have exterme winter clothing. You should eat more and be fit

Why expose yourself to be an armchair commentator....
You know what is hypothermia ??

Bikku said...

Attack and killing the Chinese brutally, and leaving the bodies as an example for the rest of the Chinese to see. Any plans to intimidate us should be met with utmost brutality, that even devils will fear to face. Jai Hind

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous, way to go !

Its not that simple as it looks. They are not in Indian border but place that is claimed by both. China is no fool to cross International border.

If we gona go War with China it should be "all or nothing" not like 61

Deshdaaz said...

Dear Manmohan,

What if premier Li Keqiang 'perceives' your wife and kids to be his? Likely you will put them on special jet-plane to send off to Beijing at the soonest.(Longing for premier to formally ask, right?)

Try hard to resist but emotions kick-in. Sale harami PM, ye DBO tere baap-dada ki jagir nahi hai. Ye Bharat ki bhumi hamari "Maa" hai. Koi hamari Maa par paav rakhne ki gustakhi kare aur hum tamasha dekhe? History will remember you as the only coward Sikh born since Guru Nanak established Sikhism. Did you ever listen stories of Khalsa and "Panch Pyare" in your childhood? We are a nation where countless Sikhs laid their lives to uphold pride and dignity of Hindu women and with one ManMohan, entire history of Sikhs will be blotted.

यत्र नार्यस्तु पूज्यन्ते रमन्ते तत्र देवताः ।
यत्रैतास्तु न पूज्यन्ते सर्वास्तत्राफलाः क्रियाः ।।

Mother India, it is indeed a miracle that you mothered 1.2 billion fools who would write-off anything including you and their mothers/wives if need be.

Clearly I see my grand kids living under colonized India after 50-100 years, the only difference wud be that this time colonization wud be from East.

Anonymous said...

China only understand the language of power. If India doesn't set a precedent by acting against these brazen aggression, then China will aggressively bully other countries, especially Korea,Vietnam, Japan and Taiwan. If India doesn't act now, it's status as South Asian power will be compromised and in some way embolden Pakistan to make more adventurous moves against India. This is the time the government and the oppositions set aside their differences and work towards providing a united front against China. The time to act is now, otherwise it will further weaken India's stance on the issue of Arunachal Pradesh, and in some ways Tibet [a bargaining card for India]

Anonymous said...

You comeback after long time for what? To post one old picture from archive? Lol

Anurag said...

come on , there no new posts recently

enough with the India-China Border dispute

Please Post some nice pictures of HAL tejas LSP -8
how is it different from other,changes done etc

also No news about IAF's participation in RED FLAG - 2013

please post new topics.....



Anonymous said...

Why does army need to send UAV for videography on our own land ? If Chinese tents are in our own area then directly go there and check what they are doing...

Anonymous said...

I guess we are always sitting ducks no rafale no scorpene no howitzers always lack of tank ammunition .....the list is unending with also no luh ... Till what time we have to face embarassment...we need to learn from this

Anonymous said...

you vanished again.............

at this rate, livefist will slowly but surely fade away........

Anonymous said...

No rafale no LUH no scorpene no mountain roads to our check post do this another 10 years and we will be the slaves of chinese

Anonymous said...

India has always been divided over religion and caste. Be it the British India times or the Indian politicians ... all play the game of divide the country on religion , caste ,language , reservation system and the list is endless.....

If we have infighting then our enemies would naturally take advantage of our weakness and slackness.

If our enemies invade our country we do not have the will to fight them as our country makes only soft people who cannot defend the country ....just compare ourselves top Pakistan or China ... In Pakistan even small children are trained to use arms , in China the military regime has enough trained manpower to run down the opposition without much effort.

India must learn from countires like Israel ... where military service at least for two is compulsory ..... every man and woman is trained to fight and can be drafted at a short notice by the army to defend the nation.... Indian constitution needs major changes and the Military needs atleast 60% in decision making the rest 40% could be divided between the Lok sabha and Rajya sabha...
India needs a strong military and government to protect the nation becos in the end every person is Indian regardless of caste , color , religion , language , state , etc.

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