tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post1375423181440627669..comments2023-10-11T17:09:54.975+05:30Comments on LIVEFIST: Gripen Beats Rafale & Typhoon For Swiss DealShiv Aroorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03510476258643893433noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-34582037196244902032012-08-20T00:27:04.430+05:302012-08-20T00:27:04.430+05:30A great choice for the swiss. Im american but i ha...A great choice for the swiss. Im american but i have seen the gripen in action, its a truely impressive aircraft. Im not surprised that the gripen beat the competition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-90776204267644095612011-12-09T09:14:41.440+05:302011-12-09T09:14:41.440+05:30Old opinion, but still appropriate...
Light: Jas-...Old opinion, but still appropriate...<br /><br />Light: Jas-39 instead of Tejas<br />Middle: Mig-29M+K and ongoing development (Mig-35)<br />Future Middle: AMCA with RD-33, F414 or Kaveri?<br />Heavy: SU-30 and upcoming FGFAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-6601733139051545862011-12-07T20:09:39.065+05:302011-12-07T20:09:39.065+05:30French defense minister Gerard Longuet just announ...French defense minister Gerard Longuet just announced the closing of the Rafale production line if no further orders after the 180 for french airforce/navy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-86819086077704749072011-12-05T15:43:16.058+05:302011-12-05T15:43:16.058+05:30The thing is, the reason why the Gripen fell behin...The thing is, the reason why the Gripen fell behind in the evaluation scores in Switzerland was because Switzerland only allowed the C/D Gripens specifications and limitations. Not the NG. However, it seems that the Swiss are interested in the Gripen NG (E/F) and will thus get an AESA radar, a thrust/weight ratio more or less equal to the Rafale with the new F414 engine, frontal IRST, 360° IR coverage, new electronic warfare systems and a new fuselage with reduced radar cross signature aswell as reduced infra red signature. <br /><br />It also seems as the only true reason to why India deselected the Gripen from the M-MRCA was because of the Radar. If Sweden and Switzerland now will partner on the JAS 39E/F Gripen, that means they will partner on the Raven PS-05 AESA radar. Perhaps this will alter the outcome of the M-MRCA? <br /><br />I don't see why India would want to replace their MiG-21's with a dual-engine jet (as they already have the MiG-29K, the Su-30MKI and soon the HAL FGFA). Especially now that the Tejas seems more problematic than ever and they need a fighter with similar (but better) qualities and performance. <br /><br />With the Gripen E/F you'll get likewise performance, but much higher availability at a much better price compared to the Eurofighter and the Rafale.Ruptanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-25507131362803169332011-12-05T04:39:50.584+05:302011-12-05T04:39:50.584+05:30And with the improved GE-F414 (enhanced performanc...And with the improved GE-F414 (enhanced performance engine) the thrust will get to ca 117.6kN (1 pretty light weight engine) compared to Rafales Snecma M88 at max 75kn x 2 (with weight of two engines + larger and heavier ariframe). Gripen NG is/will be a smaller plane with lower drag, and higher thrust/weight vs Rafale. Well if you don't violate the laws of physics, then that will undoubtly give the Gripen better climb rate and dogfight power manouvering than the Rafale. That is simple physics. But one thing the Gripen NG will never do is haul nuclear bombs, os if that is a prerequisit then congrats to IAF; you have choosen wisely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-28143433688615691372011-12-05T04:15:11.256+05:302011-12-05T04:15:11.256+05:30General Electric and Rolls-Royce are ending the F1...General Electric and Rolls-Royce are ending the F136 program after deciding to discontinue self-funding the alternate engine for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program. They are announcing this just as SAAB Gripen 39 gets another order, this time planned with the GE-F414 engine from start. Is this a sign of GE now pooling resources into the development of the increased performance upgrade of the F414? With this upgrade the Gripen NG will get +20% thrust (vs. the standard GE-F414 used in the Gripen NG, in continuing flight testing as we speak) and in an instant better thrust/weight than all but the F22. You heard me right Rafale fanboys; significantly better thrust/weight than Rafale.. There will be a number of takers for this new F414; F18E/F, Gripen NG, Tejas. Most likely +1000 engines, anyone believe that GE won't proceed...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-25363071455029336432011-12-03T00:31:25.310+05:302011-12-03T00:31:25.310+05:30lol! the swiss air force seem very unhappy and sad...lol! the swiss air force seem very unhappy and sad. wrong toys.<br /><br />http://www.letemps.ch/chappatteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-59470246484241720622011-12-02T17:58:48.793+05:302011-12-02T17:58:48.793+05:30Operating costs are going to be higher for EF and ...Operating costs are going to be higher for EF and rafale. no doubt...<br /><br />but when you get twice the range and weapons payload with better avionics, may be Rafale and EF might still be worth for what they are, when compared to Gripen. I mean to say, it could still be possible that Gripen is expensive compared to Typhoon / Rafale if we have Cost / Capability Ratio of all the aircrafts including operating costs.<br /><br />Hopefully the government also divulges even these details.<br /><br />-Sudheendra SAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-69823665627218933392011-12-02T17:58:44.700+05:302011-12-02T17:58:44.700+05:30Operating costs are going to be higher for EF and ...Operating costs are going to be higher for EF and rafale. no doubt...<br /><br />but when you get twice the range and weapons payload with better avionics, may be Rafale and EF might still be worth for what they are, when compared to Gripen. I mean to say, it could still be possible that Gripen is expensive compared to Typhoon / Rafale if we have Cost / Capability Ratio of all the aircrafts including operating costs.<br /><br />Hopefully the government also divulges even these details.<br /><br />-Sudheendra SAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-68400217759715925292011-12-02T17:08:47.674+05:302011-12-02T17:08:47.674+05:30LOL! Funny cartoon in a Swiss newspaper!
http://ww...LOL! Funny cartoon in a Swiss newspaper!<br />http://www.letemps.ch/chappatteJeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-41496157870279225282011-12-02T17:07:22.167+05:302011-12-02T17:07:22.167+05:30''In both reports, the corps commander Gyg...''In both reports, the corps commander Gygax specifically recommends the purchase of the French Rafale. "The Rafale by Dassault product is recommended as a new fighter aircraft of the Swiss Air Force," is it in black and white.''<br /><br />http://www.lematin.ch/actu/suisse/berne-enquete-sur-la-divulgation-de-rapports-secrets-sur-le-gripen-2011-12-02<br /><br />There is going to be an inquiry of leak of test reports that Gipen had weaknesses ,which were not highlighted and that Rfale was the recommendation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-62814304026108638472011-12-02T15:35:32.096+05:302011-12-02T15:35:32.096+05:30Must say that Dassault says they don't underst...Must say that Dassault says they don't understand they lost this deal. Both Dassault and Typhoon would cost Switserland some $ 4 biljon dollars against the 3,2$ for the Gripen. But remember this deal is with total Life Cycle Cost for at least 30 years. <br /><br />The French offered less Rafale A/C for the same money (dousn't say howmany). What would you choose, 22 aircraft or 16? Quantity dous matter! Especialy with the quality of the Gripen NG.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-51169290116979215212011-12-02T12:02:14.842+05:302011-12-02T12:02:14.842+05:30http://www.ainonline.com/?q=aviation-news/ain-defe...http://www.ainonline.com/?q=aviation-news/ain-defense-perspective/2011-12-01/swiss-choose-cost-effective-gripen-over-rafale-and-eurofighter<br /><br />hey hey...this report mentions that for 22 jets, gripen NG costs ~0.155 billion (155 million / per plane??)<br /><br />and EF costs ~0.195 billion (195 million / per plane)..<br /><br /><br />and Rafale costs somewhere in between..<br /><br />Not much of a difference..Who told gripen is cheaper???<br /><br />-Sudheendra SAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-36927481249286213612011-12-02T08:44:31.869+05:302011-12-02T08:44:31.869+05:30Obiwan said...
"which may still be Rafale, ...Obiwan said... <br /><br /><i>"which may still be Rafale, no ?)"</i><br /><br />Everything is possible when the commies are in the government but, to be honest, I really don´t believe that even they would be so crazy to buy a fighter that cost 142,3 million euros per carcass, and was rejected worldwide in the last 20 years.<br /><br />Thanks god our actual President appears to be many more rational in wich concerns to money than the drunk that one day, in an ethyl attack, announce the buy of Rafale...<br /><br />But the question continues: will be India the only customer in the whole world for Rafale?<br /><br />I am a stranger and know little of Indian needs, but I know that your country is so poor as mine. And if my country (which has a miserable dozen Mirage-2000 and fifty F-5E) had a fleet of 200 Su-30 and were developing the PAK-FA, I would not be even a little worried about buying the cheapest fighter, though something less capable than the most expensive.<br /><br />The truth: Rafale, the omniloser fighter.<br /><br />Best regards.Vaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06719223892280153742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-46507269881138624952011-12-02T02:53:08.018+05:302011-12-02T02:53:08.018+05:30In the long run, geopolitically, India's adver...In the long run, geopolitically, India's adversary is China. Pakistan is a side show that China uses to its own advantages. And here, one must ask between China and India, who will France or Germany or UK favor truly? At the last G20 summimt in Cannes, the French only have loving eyes for China, they even have time for a dinner between friends. As to India, sorry too busy. And that is not surprising, one can count how many French weapon systems are on the Chinese latest warships today. Did not the US protest to France recently regarding their technology transfer of advanced airborne infrared sensors to China? That is not to say Germans are not falling heads over heels with China as well. Unless I am wrong, China MBTs are powered by MTU variants. If I am to buy Rafales or Typhoons, I would be thinking hard in this strategic context. In addition, with Tejas dragging its feets, I wonder whether 100+ Typhoons and Rafales, even backed by 200 SU-30 can truly prevail over the 1000s of SU-27/30, J10 and J20 that China will be rolling out like Chinese cookies as we speak.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-81944577699021894162011-12-02T00:28:46.719+05:302011-12-02T00:28:46.719+05:30Bhailok ,
Why get nasty eh ?
Gripen appears to ...Bhailok ,<br /><br />Why get nasty eh ? <br /><br />Gripen appears to be a great point defense fighter , if nothing more . It can match the f16 / f18 in turns and can shoot off missiles .The radar , I believe is superb and the whole packet is extremely pilot friendly. <br /><br />Look at it this way. The Mig 21's are dying . Tejas appears to be void ab initio. The numbers have to kept up otherwise we shall have to respond to a Paki Attack by bombing them with RFP's.We need urgent replacements on a squad by squad basis. The MMRCA choosing can go on but there is no harm in placing an order for 60 Gripens to assist the Mirages and Fulcrums. That is if the Swedes are up to it. I am sure they can if the color of money is right.<br /><br />But the whole point is .Do our Air marshalls have the balls to confront and not conform ? Yours truly sees no indication of that as of now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-85513873374194684832011-12-01T19:47:08.076+05:302011-12-01T19:47:08.076+05:30our air force knows whats best for them and they a...our air force knows whats best for them and they are doing good with MMRCA there's no need sack whole deal since swiss air force favored gripen. well our pilots are looking for more potent platforms now, rather than settlement for less capable platform in the concern of price.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-84837847267648520422011-12-01T18:05:58.664+05:302011-12-01T18:05:58.664+05:30India and Brazil seem to be the only countries whe...India and Brazil seem to be the only countries where Rafale stands a chance. Even UAE which was earlier slated to buy the French fighter may settle for some more F-16Block 60s or the Eurofighters. Switzerland being a landlocked small nation of central Europe doesnt need these heavy jets. The Gripen seems to be ideal for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-44238689108420934772011-12-01T16:44:28.590+05:302011-12-01T16:44:28.590+05:30@Anonymous 8:58 AM
I was framing the arguments to...@Anonymous <b>8:58 AM</b><br /><br />I was framing the arguments to your response as I went through it. But when I reached the last line, I could smell the intelligence I was dealing with. It would be stupid to get into the argument. I quit, you win!Sameernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-11441725288753463142011-12-01T16:41:48.912+05:302011-12-01T16:41:48.912+05:30Vader, there is already one customer of Rafale and...Vader, there is already one customer of Rafale and this customer knows how to make the best use of the tool: French Air Force + French Navy. Airplanes has never been designed for export but first of all for the needs of national customers, something you may have lost in the process of your basic and pathetic Rafale-bashing campaign. Let India select what it wants and all the best to Brazil for your own choice (which may still be Rafale, no ?)Obiwannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-56160724300268512172011-12-01T15:52:16.926+05:302011-12-01T15:52:16.926+05:30swiss may never use these fighters in anger, the b...swiss may never use these fighters in anger, the best thay might use them escorting visiting US president or some other important dignatory. Gripen is more than capable for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-35530230911088772772011-12-01T15:41:18.900+05:302011-12-01T15:41:18.900+05:30One more loss to the omniloser fighter made by Das...One more loss to the omniloser fighter made by Dassault.<br /><br />Now that Rafale had definitelly lost in EAU and Switzerland, we can ask: will be India the only customer of Rafale in the whole world?<br /><br />By the way, someone may tell Dassault and it´s fanboys that the cry is free.<br /><br />Best regards.<br /><br />http://vaderbrasil.blogspot.com/Vaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06719223892280153742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-83850138479987306242011-12-01T14:04:36.241+05:302011-12-01T14:04:36.241+05:30come one guys ... lets not get twisted in a knot o...come one guys ... lets not get twisted in a knot over here .... open your eyes .... <br /><br />LCA is a failure !!!!!! <br /><br />Gripen will come to India too ... wait and watch !!!annonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14427169509014359057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-88277912923152313942011-12-01T12:55:28.515+05:302011-12-01T12:55:28.515+05:30@Anon 10.38, I think the abstract of the evaluatio...@Anon 10.38, I think the abstract of the evaluation report was published by a Swiss newspaper. It is indeed highlighted by Rafale people for obvious reasons but that does not mean that the info is fake. No offence to say that Gripen is less capable, it is also less expensive.Tirenganoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-48569065961540237332011-12-01T12:48:40.731+05:302011-12-01T12:48:40.731+05:30Lol, a lot of historians here!
@Anon10.38: so the...Lol, a lot of historians here!<br /><br />@Anon10.38: so they did not evaluate the plane that they will buy? "New techs" are going to be integrated (when?) without having been evaluated? Rather strange.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com