tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post1860096402067056085..comments2023-10-11T17:09:54.975+05:30Comments on LIVEFIST: India's Future Infantry Combat VehicleShiv Aroorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03510476258643893433noreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-54624223074798881302010-11-03T09:34:05.155+05:302010-11-03T09:34:05.155+05:30And why hate a company and its employees because y...And why hate a company and its employees because you hate the owner? Do you hate the PSUs as well because they are administered by hardcore corrupt netas at the top?<br /><br />Maruti was a loss-making company before privatisation even with monopoly. That alone should be enough proof of the success.<br /><br />VSNL's fortunes dropped after privatisation, but as Arun Shourie said, that was more a result of its loss of monopoly(telecom sector getting deregulated at the same time) than the fact that it was owned by Tatas.<br /><br />http://www.rediff.com/money/2007/feb/13guest.htmGautamhttp://gautamnatrajan@gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-35928589925421942002010-11-02T19:54:19.417+05:302010-11-02T19:54:19.417+05:30BJP Bhajpa Baniya Party sold the nation's asse...BJP Bhajpa Baniya Party sold the nation's assets for a pittance to these ultra corrupt baniyas who back them to keep their seats warm i.e. with hold foreign competition and thereby peddle vintage products (acquired from abroad) at exorbitant prices. This baniya-babu-neta nexus is keeping away foreign investments as a result India is having more poor people than Sub Saharan countries. It is this race of middlemen aka Baniyas who are keeping the masses poor by purchasing their products for a song and selling the same stuff at king's ransom price.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-4195220146456465122010-11-02T19:47:30.230+05:302010-11-02T19:47:30.230+05:30Gautam
Have you seen what abomination the Centaur...Gautam<br /><br />Have you seen what abomination the Centaur Hotel has become? Since it's scam ridden "privatization" it has been cocooned inside an ugly contraption. The real owners are Amar Singh and Amitabh bachan via Sahara Group.<br />Modern Bread used to be ubiquitous in our grocery stores, today are hardly found anywhere.<br />Ditto same with VSNL a multi billion institution which was sold for a song to the Tata family and now has hardly any name. Tata telecom are yet to prove their mettle inspite of VSNL acquisition. IPCL, another venerable name sold for a pittance to ultra corrupt Reliance Group. No sign of that company today.<br />Since you have been cornered and shown to be a fool, you have resorted to abusing.LOL!<br />Forward me the link where it is mentioned that Pvt Cos were favored by Navy over PSUs for the construction of Subs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-40240776960682624262010-11-01T23:46:51.454+05:302010-11-01T23:46:51.454+05:30It's a good thing the NDA de-regularised and o...It's a good thing the NDA de-regularised and opened up so many sectors before they were voted out of power. Because of that today's generation lives with the gift of choice and clarity. In another couple of decades the self-deluding Socialist breed will become extinct.Gautamhttp://gautamnatrajan@gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-89780129465436634412010-11-01T23:42:24.880+05:302010-11-01T23:42:24.880+05:30Dear lord, so many dreamers and propagandaists her...Dear lord, so many dreamers and propagandaists here! <br /><br />Whenever they are debunked they close their eyes and ears('see no evil/truth, hear no evil/truth') continue with more retarded half-truths and fabrications. With the combination of their foul mouths I wonder if they are members of the Red parties with their specially bred gangs.<br /><br />What profit making PSU did BJP sell? Modern foods? Centaur hotels? How inefficient and loss-making they were before is well-documented. They turned profit only after privatisation and have now become well-known brands. Likewise with VSNL.<br /><br />And liarboy, you will no doubt try to bend, twist and mutilate this inside your warped brain, but if you bothered following the news Navy originally wanted ALL SIX submarines to be built by L & T. It is only because of your Commie MoD and their monopolists that the tender said 'Four PSU, two private' and finally 'Four PSU, two imported'. Even the articles mentioned explicitly that the defence acquisition council was going against the Navy's wishes by granting four submarines to HSL instead of L & T.<br /><br />That's just how it is with Socialism and PSUs in India. You will bend and manipulate the circumstances to give PSUs monopoly and/or unfair advantage, then gloat about how you are superior to private sector and how privates aren't doing anything for defence(Because of you, you thug!).Gautamhttp://gautamnatrajan@gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-49096246189621084512010-11-01T16:07:02.820+05:302010-11-01T16:07:02.820+05:30If there is an accident between a Shaktiman and Ta...If there is an accident between a Shaktiman and Tata which will survive that accident? Tata truck or Shaktiman truck???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-38073008191882937982010-11-01T16:05:27.133+05:302010-11-01T16:05:27.133+05:30It is due to BJP Baniya party's antics that ou...It is due to BJP Baniya party's antics that our Tejas and other defense projects got delayed due to stringent sanctions.<br /><br />All those profit making PSUs that were privatized were sold by BJP Baniya Party at rock bottom prices to these few utter corrupt and incompetent Indian business houses. This is nothing but theft of nation's resources. Today what is the condition of those PSUs that were privatized? All their assets have been stripped and they have been reduced to a shell of their former self. This is what corporate raiders do. They look for those Cos with low share value and high asset value. Purchase them at rock bottom prices, strip them of all their assets. This is what this BJP baniya party did to these profitable PSUs which were doing so well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-85932460369778123132010-11-01T15:57:06.615+05:302010-11-01T15:57:06.615+05:30Gautam,
Just like for you HLL = HM, likewise Navy...Gautam,<br /><br />Just like for you HLL = HM, likewise Navy wanted Pvt sector participation and that is why they explicitly mentioned that they want 2 subs to be made exclusively in foreign countries and rest 4 in so called inefficient PSUs. proof of the pudding is in eating it. Navy has eaten the Indian Baniya Pvt sector rabdi and spat it out.LOL!<br /><br />Pvt r struggling to manufacture decent 2 and 4 wheelers, whereas PSUs have sent probes to the Moon. Let the Pvt sector manufacture and launch something like GSLV and PSLV. Now don't cry for Govt help, as SpaceX, Virgin Galactic etc. are building and launching rockets with their own resources. Let our Mahendras, Birlas, Tatas etc. something similar.<br />OK let them at least build a Dhruv if not a Tejas or PSLV. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-43351811919435108532010-11-01T13:07:58.630+05:302010-11-01T13:07:58.630+05:30As for the Indian navy's experience with L &am...As for the Indian navy's experience with L & T, you are only proving my point. The Navy has been so impressed that they wanted L & T to handle the 2nd submarine production line. It was once again because of AK Antony and Pallam Raju's hardcore Socialism that PSU shipyards MDL and HSL got all four indigenous sub production contracts(with remaining two being supplied wholesale by foreign supplier). Heck, even the news articles explicitly mentioned how the MoD ignored the Navy planners' directives and went PSU instead of L & T. <br /><br />The PSUs can only survive with government-sanctioned patronage and/or monopoly. The only way to build a credible, competitive defence industry in India is to cultivate the private sector to do so.Gautamhttp://gautamnatrajan@gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-34896113378627226822010-11-01T09:40:57.618+05:302010-11-01T09:40:57.618+05:30Yes, the Army is replacing the 'quality' v...Yes, the Army is replacing the 'quality' vintage PSU trucks with Tata private baniya low-quality vehicles. What traitors they are, eh Mr. Patriot? <br /><br />Why do we give money to PSUs then? Why don't they innovate with the profits(if any) they make?<br /><br />Don't kid yourself, the Congress has steadfastly been Socialist in its approach towards sick PSUs since it came to power. Because all PSUs have unions, and unions mean votes. The privatisation process was stopped and the Ministry of Disinvestment shut down almost immediately after the UPA came to power. <br /><br />If this were NDA, for example, Air India would have been privatised immediately after the recent debacle instead of giving 3000cr 'equity infusions' right now.<br /><br />The fact that you are steadfastly ignoring and dismissing all examples of private sector progress that are obvious around you and singing blind praise for the PSUs who haven't even accomplished as much shows that there is no point trying to argue with you here. <br /><br />'Nation building projects'. The sole reason they do it is because the government orders them too. As is done abroad Pvt cos would do the same if the government asked them to(as it is they DO do a lot of infrastructure projects in India, like the Mumbai Metro for example). Also ever heard of Airtel's rural telephony efforts?Gautamhttp://gautamnatrajan@gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-78691258097948992042010-10-31T21:38:25.372+05:302010-10-31T21:38:25.372+05:30Gautam
How many Shaktiman do you find with the Ar...Gautam<br /><br />How many Shaktiman do you find with the Army today? They have replaced them with TATA trucks.<br /><br />Point is why should we give money to Pvt Cos.? They are supposed to innovate and come up with their own products, which must compete with other similar products. This is the very edifice of competition, free market and capitalism. <br /><br />My friend the Govt has long stopped bankrolling sick PSUs. So cut the crap. And don't tell me "WILL", tell me "HAVE" Indian Pvt Cos come up with any world class product in more than half century?<br /><br />I am not white washing PSUs. Yes they too have to deliver or else they have to shut their shop. That's why so many PSUs have been privatized and will be privatized. End of the day it is open competition.<br /><br />PSUs concentrate on capital intensive nation building projects which do not yield quick returns.In these areas there is hardly any scope for Pvt Cos. If they have capabilities they can be partnered. Looking at Indian navy's experience with L&T, it doesn't seems too encouraging.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-90781644220042952702010-10-31T12:42:05.400+05:302010-10-31T12:42:05.400+05:30For the fellow who badmouthed HM for selling Amby,...For the fellow who badmouthed HM for selling Amby, doesn't the government-owned Vehicle Factory Jabalpur(VFJ) do the same with their 60-year old vintage Shaktiman trucks(licence-built from a 1950's MAN truck model)?<br /><br />What's your point? Corruption or no corruption, one thing that's very clear is that given the money and incentive private companies WILL deliver better than PSUs because there's no bureacracy and because they actually have to worry about profits and don't have the assurance of taxpayer bailouts.<br /><br />This is a naked truth abundant in every single sector where a PSU has to compete with private cos. I'm sure even you know it well, yet you spew bile about 'Private baniyas bad, PSU goooood cuz I sez'.Gautamhttp://gautamnatrajan@gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-43660353771341861132010-10-30T23:25:24.141+05:302010-10-30T23:25:24.141+05:30BTW to the retard who said the people own the gove...BTW to the retard who said the people own the government and therefore the PSUs<br /><br />1)Myself, the beggar on the roadside and the tea shop owner all have equal ownership and control over the govenrment: NONE WHATSOEVER. We can vote for them and MAYBE elections won't be rigged and MAYBE they'll not be corrupt and renege on their promises(unlikely), but don't delude yourself any more than you have.<br /><br />2)Even if you do 'own' someone, do you own everything they own as well? If you get promoted by your boss' choice does he automatically own your house, your car and anything else you buy with your money? Now stop spewing sewage about how PSUs are 'public' property.Gautamhttp://gautamnatrajan@gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-47143355162387316022010-10-30T22:29:12.901+05:302010-10-30T22:29:12.901+05:30Gautam bhajpa chacha,
We were talking about Hindu...Gautam bhajpa chacha,<br /><br />We were talking about Hindustan Lever aka Unilever, not Hindustan Motors. Again you are getting mixed up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-74427619357976167392010-10-30T22:27:06.480+05:302010-10-30T22:27:06.480+05:30Gautam Uncle,
Who's the commie here? Anybody ...Gautam Uncle,<br /><br />Who's the commie here? Anybody who criticizes the babu-baniya-neta nexus becomes a commie? Fyi, I don't even bother to vote coz all the netas are thieves and career criminals. I am an "aam janata".<br /><br />This is precisely what I am trying to convey, HM, a typical corrupt Indian Pvt Company is peddling a vintage vehicle which the world stopped manufacturing in 1959, to corrupt babus and netas.How many pieces of silver do they pay to our babus and netas to continue to force our PSUs and other Govt institutions to patronize only their vintage rubbish? Such companies have forced Govt to tie up MNCs with their companies for sale of any defense product in India. Pray tell me how BAE is tying up with Mahendra or STF with Punj Llyod, companies with zero exposure to defense sector? Don't you think these MNCs will jack up the price of the final product for bringing in more middlemen where none are required?<br />It's not the job of the Govt to manufacture cars, so the Govt prudently got off from the business of manufacturing and selling cars.<br />Socialist pride? Add Nationalist and it becomes Nationalist Socialist aka Nazis. Are you one of them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-27499853553823984912010-10-30T20:03:09.125+05:302010-10-30T20:03:09.125+05:30Well aren't the Commies happy I made a mistake...Well aren't the Commies happy I made a mistake. But it doesnt change the fact that they were hopelessly wrong: Hindustan Motors is a PRIVATE company, there are no government carmakers in India. Netas and Babus drive Ambassadors, Marutis, Tatas and Mercedes. Probably so do these fronthing-at-the-mouth Commie hate- peddlers.<br /><br />The same Birla group whom you pathological liars were badmouthing before btw. Interesting. How's your socialist pride?Gautamhttp://gautamnatrajan@gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-82891411992393304452010-10-30T18:13:13.855+05:302010-10-30T18:13:13.855+05:30Gautam Uncle
Unilever is not a Private Firm, it&#...Gautam Uncle<br /><br />Unilever is not a Private Firm, it's an MNC. Hope you know the difference between the two.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-77528968263875149502010-10-30T18:10:38.585+05:302010-10-30T18:10:38.585+05:30Gautam
Do you know how stupid and foolish you sou...Gautam<br /><br />Do you know how stupid and foolish you sound? Your last comment shows your lack of knowledge about even basic things, forget advanced def tech.<br /><br />Unilever makes Automobiles???? And it owns Hindustan Motors?? ROFLMAO.<br />Since when manufacturer of soaps and detergents started making vintage Ambassador cars?<br />HM is owned by CK Birla. Ambassador is 1956 Morris Oxford which UK stopped manufacturing in 1959.<br />PP is Fiat.<br />Tata trucks and buses are still those ancient ultra low quality vehicles. Mahendra is still trying to evolve from vintage WWII era jeeps.<br />From your comments it seems your brain is getting addled.<br />Bhajpa Baniya brigade has people like you as it's supporters, no wonder it is loosing in all states. Btw, I am not a commie Bhajpa "uncle".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-54726304388246464222010-10-30T13:18:34.775+05:302010-10-30T13:18:34.775+05:30Commieboy, that's what happens when your brain...Commieboy, that's what happens when your brain confuses facts with propaganda and refuses to acknowledge anything other than what your taught. Ambassador is made by Hindustan Motors which is owned by Unilever, a PRIVATE firm.<br /><br />And Maruti 800(sorry, Suzuki Alto) was anything but the 'latest' design even when it came out. In any case you'd be a biased fool not to acknowledge the extent of Tata and Mahindra's indigenous R & D instead of just licence-building 100% foreign designs like PSUs so often do.<br /><br />But you are biased and you know it. You just don't want to shatter the old viewpoint that you've followed for so long. For a Socialist self-pride in his Socialist principles conquers all forms of truth. Hence you blindly rant and generalise while knowing fully well what facts you are ignoring or exaggerating: because that's how you dream of the world to be.Gautamhttp://gautamnatrajan@gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-40530565275202887162010-10-29T18:18:11.325+05:302010-10-29T18:18:11.325+05:30gautam
So what is your Ambassador, Padmini etc.?
...gautam<br /><br />So what is your Ambassador, Padmini etc.?<br />How much of Tata vehicles are designed and built in India?<br />At least the Maruti was latest design. Not vintage vehicles like Ambassador and PP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-80216648715305093652010-10-29T14:28:20.046+05:302010-10-29T14:28:20.046+05:30Anon 6.26 PM
People from BIMARU states must not t...Anon 6.26 PM<br /><br />People from BIMARU states must not throw stones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-68097017498084469702010-10-28T18:26:32.619+05:302010-10-28T18:26:32.619+05:30As usual the Commies have nothing to say but false...As usual the Commies have nothing to say but false allegations about how corruption is the norm in private sector(based on brainwashing rather than knowledge or experience) and how government is usually hard-working and efficient(again brainwashing and wanting to make themselves look good). Probably while speaking from the most poorly developed states of Indiaa like Kerala and West Bengal, run by more Commies. It's like a cult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-87614247599160193492010-10-28T18:22:55.192+05:302010-10-28T18:22:55.192+05:30I hope the deluded Commies remember that each and ...I hope the deluded Commies remember that each and every one of Maruti's products right from the 80s was licence-built Suzuki models, just like this ICV is essentially a licence-built BMP-2.Gautamhttp://gautamnatrajan@gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-64761241272901347032010-10-27T22:42:33.701+05:302010-10-27T22:42:33.701+05:30It's not called bribe, it is called wetting th...It's not called bribe, it is called wetting the beak.<br /><br />The same companies are awarded contracts year after year. No new entrants are allowed at the behest of these corrupt incompetent Indian companies. They operate like mafias. This babu-baniya-neta nexus is the biggest enemy of India. It is not China or Pakistan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-72389786942701055272010-10-27T22:38:33.291+05:302010-10-27T22:38:33.291+05:30gautam
Which tata car you are talking about the o...gautam<br /><br />Which tata car you are talking about the one that bursts into flames and is known as "cheapest car in the world" or the ones favored only by taxi drivers?<br /><br />I didn't know Mahendras manufactured cars? Are you mistaking a jeep for a car??<br /><br />Last I heard, it was Maruti which happened to be the most popular car brand in India. I hope you know that Maruti till recently used to be a PSU?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com