tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post3443329986449446129..comments2023-10-11T17:09:54.975+05:30Comments on LIVEFIST: NorthropGrumman Tells Indian Navy, "NRUAV Not Mature, Buy FireScout Instead"Shiv Aroorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03510476258643893433noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-20784472170091065462011-01-19T02:42:32.981+05:302011-01-19T02:42:32.981+05:30Hi,
This is a question for the webmaster/admin ...Hi,<br /> <br /> This is a question for the webmaster/admin here at livefist.blogspot.com.<br /><br />Can I use part of the information from your blog post right above if I give a backlink back to this site?<br /><br />Thanks,<br />PeterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-81214332227973207612010-12-08T22:47:27.219+05:302010-12-08T22:47:27.219+05:30Hello,
Thanks for sharing the link - but unfortu...Hello,<br /> <br />Thanks for sharing the link - but unfortunately it seems to be down? Does anybody here at livefist.blogspot.com have a mirror or another source? <br /> <br /><br />Cheers,<br />WilliamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-75250908599005815672010-11-23T07:09:51.537+05:302010-11-23T07:09:51.537+05:30Greetings,
This is a message for the webmaster/...Greetings,<br /> <br /> This is a message for the webmaster/admin here at livefist.blogspot.com.<br /><br />May I use part of the information from your blog post above if I provide a backlink back to your site?<br /><br />Thanks,<br />PeterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-53349203655754508632010-10-20T00:32:41.089+05:302010-10-20T00:32:41.089+05:30Thanks for sharing this link, but unfortunately i...Thanks for sharing this link, but unfortunately it seems to be offline... Does anybody have a mirror or another source? Please reply to my message if you do!<br /><br />I would appreciate if someone here at livefist.blogspot.com could post it.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />JohnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-64667968960834251362010-09-25T11:58:25.886+05:302010-09-25T11:58:25.886+05:30Thanks for sharing this link, but unfortunately i...Thanks for sharing this link, but unfortunately it seems to be down... Does anybody have a mirror or another source? Please answer to my post if you do!<br /><br />I would appreciate if a staff member here at livefist.blogspot.com could post it.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />JulesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-73380035941033248972010-09-20T06:58:33.366+05:302010-09-20T06:58:33.366+05:30Thanks for sharing this link, but unfortunately i...Thanks for sharing this link, but unfortunately it seems to be offline... Does anybody have a mirror or another source? Please reply to my post if you do!<br /><br />I would appreciate if a staff member here at livefist.blogspot.com could post it.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />JackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-17779361450736281742010-09-14T01:29:10.237+05:302010-09-14T01:29:10.237+05:30Thanks for sharing the link, but unfortunately it...Thanks for sharing the link, but unfortunately it seems to be offline... Does anybody have a mirror or another source? Please reply to my post if you do!<br /><br />I would appreciate if a staff member here at livefist.blogspot.com could post it.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />JulesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-31752868802732867122010-09-10T05:38:01.530+05:302010-09-10T05:38:01.530+05:30Top blog, I hadn't noticed livefist.blogspot.c...Top blog, I hadn't noticed livefist.blogspot.com earlier during my searches!<br />Continue the good work!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-6321825568306446312010-09-05T10:13:04.060+05:302010-09-05T10:13:04.060+05:30Thank you, that was extremely valuable and interes...Thank you, that was extremely valuable and interesting...I will be back again to read more on this topic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-25213224467127494852010-08-20T23:20:06.051+05:302010-08-20T23:20:06.051+05:30They see NRUAV as a competitor to Firescout and at...They see NRUAV as a competitor to Firescout and attempt to destroy it at first opportunity.<br /><br />Tomorrow they may come up with photos of some viceroys and tell us that our leaders are not so much dynamic and result oriented.Mr. Ranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-19173579041094016062010-06-13T03:05:11.521+05:302010-06-13T03:05:11.521+05:30Interesting. After a quick search it seems the Fir...Interesting. After a quick search it seems the Fire Scout can carry 30% more payload than NRUAV with double the endurance. While at the same time being slightly smaller.<br /><br />That said I see no need to stop the semi-indigenous(remember, most of the avoinics are Israeli) project just because the US has a better one. Of course, if the government lets Northrop Grumman invest in the Indian defense sector that'd be different...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-18743972525103383362010-03-07T17:12:20.486+05:302010-03-07T17:12:20.486+05:30Did we protest about C17s, P8Is, AWACS ? No, becau...Did we protest about C17s, P8Is, AWACS ? No, because there the yank options do not infringe on local efforts and capability development. Here they do.<br /><br />Also,<br /><br />100% indigenous > Part-indigenous with imported components > 100% imported.<br /><br />Importing at components level does not hurt as we are moving up the learning curve and some components will be imported until an economically viable demand is built up to render completely local manufacture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-13084442745114478942010-03-06T22:39:19.368+05:302010-03-06T22:39:19.368+05:30even if the NRUAV does not turn out to be as good ...even if the NRUAV does not turn out to be as good as the firescout(which i hope wont be the case), we should stick to developing our own capabilities....and who gave them the rights to interfering in our matters..nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16020978525399205521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-45116414360330148362010-03-06T12:07:10.414+05:302010-03-06T12:07:10.414+05:30> Importing things at COMPONENTS LEVEL and inte...> Importing things at COMPONENTS LEVEL and integrating it with rest of local components is much preferable than importing the entire black box.<br /><br />um, 'importing the entire black box' is exactly what NRUAV is<br /><br />All their doing is integrating IAI's black box with their helicoptersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-8021202032841944122010-03-06T06:52:40.804+05:302010-03-06T06:52:40.804+05:30> & what after that? go with a begging bowl...> & what after that? go with a begging bowl to the Yanks?<br /><br />well, to quote you:<br /><br />> develop our own capabilities & industries<br /><br />in other words, develop it from scratch yourself<br /><br />if you aren't willing to develop it yourself, then stop your whining about the americans killing off your industry.<br /><br />whether you buy from israel or from america, the impact on indian industry is the same<br /><br />> Am sure we will learn a lot more by partnering with Israel than we would by buying from you<br /><br />israeli companies are no more likely to give out their crown jewels than american companies or russian companies.<br /><br />they aren't stupid, they want to keep you dependent on them to guarantee a future revenue stream<br /><br />just like every other companyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-41594687788218185122010-03-06T04:18:56.970+05:302010-03-06T04:18:56.970+05:30NOTHING WRONG IN ADVERTISING A PRODUCT. I DON'...NOTHING WRONG IN ADVERTISING A PRODUCT. I DON'T THINK NG IS DOING ANYTHING WRONG HERE. IN FACT, SOME OF THE READERS' REACTIONS ARE SHOCKING. WHY WOULD WE LET AN AMERICAN OPTION PASS? WHAT IF AFTER TEN YEARS OF TESTING NRUAV DOESN'T FLY? <br />THE BIGGEST QUESTION IS: AT WHAT LEVEL WE WANT TO TRY RE-INVENTING THE WHEEL? JUST BECAUSE ISRAELIS MADE A JOINT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH DRDO DOESN'T MEAN THAT DRDO WILL ACTUALLY BE DEVELOPING ANYTHING. UNDER SO CALLED JOINT DEVELOPMENT, IAI MAY JUST SELL US THEIR STUFF WHICH MAY NOT BE EVEN AS GOOD AS THE AMERICAN OPTION. MOREOVER, THIS IS NOT A VERY BIG CONTRACT. IN THE REAL DEALS LIKE SUBMARINES (BAD FRENCH EXPERIENCE) HAWK AJTS (BAD UK EXPERIENCE) AND AIRCRAFT CARRIER (BAD RUSSIAN EXPERIENCE) - NO ONE IS BLAMING ANY OF THESE COUNTRIES BUT WHEN IT COMES TO USA, WHICH IRONICALLY HAS THE MOST RELIABLE AND ADVANCED PRODUCTS IN THE MARKET, EVERYONE JUMPS TO THE GUN. USSR WAS MORE MILITARIZED THAN USA EVER WAS OR WILL BE, EVEN THEN, WE FOUND THE BEST FRIEND THERE. SO WHAT'S WRONG WITH USA? IN ORDER TO MATCH CHINA, INDIA HAS NO OPTION BUT TO ALLY ITSELF WITH USA. USA IS THE REAL REASON, EU/ISRAEL ARE SELLING WEAPONS TO CHINA. THIS ISRAELI 'FRIENDS' WILL BE THE FIRST ONES TO SELL ALL THEIR HIGH TECH STUFF TO CHINESE AS SOON AS USA LOOKS OTHER WAY. INDIANS ARE ACTUALLY VERY LUCKY TO HAVE USA WILLING TO SELL ADVANCED WEAPONS LIKE F18, AESA, P8I ETC. IMAGINE WHAT IF THEY WERE SELLING ALL THESE TO CHINESE?DJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-58773651717517697652010-03-05T16:10:27.820+05:302010-03-05T16:10:27.820+05:30@anon at 8:43pm,
"well if you want to develop...@anon at 8:43pm,<br />"well if you want to develop your own capabilities and industries, then you're going to have to tell israel the same thing and cancel the NRUAV"<br /><br />Importing things at COMPONENTS LEVEL and integrating it with rest of local components is much preferable than importing the entire black box. At least we have things in our control with imported components rather than the blackbox infested with malicious codes.<br /><br />Besides, it is one thing to import components without strings and another to import sealed blackboxes with voluntary submission to restrictive treaties and monopolized maintenance.<br /><br />Between russian and indian(T90 and Arjun) the opinion does take the sides of Arjun too. So you cannot bring it up here. Here it is between NRUAV and fire-scout and clearly NRUAV is preferable for independence, lack of malicious codes and step-up in learning curve and unmonopolized local maintenance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-17314859451632500732010-03-05T11:29:00.763+05:302010-03-05T11:29:00.763+05:30@anon 8.43
> well if you want to develop your o...@anon 8.43<br />> well if you want to develop your own capabilities and industries, then you're going to have to tell israel the same thing and cancel the NRUAV<br />since they are the ones that are actually developing the guts of it . . .<br />& what after that? go with a begging bowl to the Yanks?<br />Israeli stuff work & don't come with stupid end user restrictions.Am sure we will learn a lot more by partnering with Israel than we would by buying from you.Rafalenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-46976927781517940262010-03-05T10:29:10.343+05:302010-03-05T10:29:10.343+05:30Its ridiculous how can this program which is under...Its ridiculous how can this program which is undergoing trials be mature?Let the American play their politics when its ready for induction.More over India must pursue such endeavors in the future also rather than depending upon any country specially America.amithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01566804730408902371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-45951419765262645982010-03-04T22:36:28.508+05:302010-03-04T22:36:28.508+05:30> create a dependence eventually leading to com...> create a dependence eventually leading to complete loss of knowledge in 1 generation with retirement of homegrown expertise fighting for survival against yank options.<br /><br />replace yank with russian and it's actually more true for india<br /><br />they offer 'joint development' of pak-fa, what they mean is 'you pay us to develop our next gen fighter and we'll let you build a few too'<br /><br />they would be perfectly happy to have the T-90 kill off the ArjunAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-29395776471926373482010-03-04T20:43:56.150+05:302010-03-04T20:43:56.150+05:30> We should ask the yanks to fuck off & dev...> We should ask the yanks to fuck off & develop our own capabilities & industries<br /><br />well if you want to develop your own capabilities and industries, then you're going to have to tell israel the same thing and cancel the NRUAV<br /><br />since they are the ones that are actually developing the guts of it . . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-23174969976725101862010-03-04T20:10:46.084+05:302010-03-04T20:10:46.084+05:30Yanks have CMS(Compulsive Monopolist Syndrome).
U...Yanks have CMS(Compulsive Monopolist Syndrome).<br /><br />Unlike other diseases, here it is those who associate with them who suffer... suffer the loss of their own capabilities, create a dependence eventually leading to complete loss of knowledge in 1 generation with retirement of homegrown expertise fighting for survival against yank options.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-58579024671607635642010-03-04T11:28:15.641+05:302010-03-04T11:28:15.641+05:30We should ask the yanks to fuck off & develop ...We should ask the yanks to fuck off & develop our own capabilities & industriesRafalenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-83537746731341370992010-03-04T10:27:58.824+05:302010-03-04T10:27:58.824+05:30> I don't think americans can pitch anythin...> I don't think americans can pitch anything against Chetak's reliability and available ground support infrastructure<br /><br />the airframe of the helicopter is the easiest part of an unmanned helicopter<br /><br />it's the 'unmanned' part that is hard, especially when dealing with pitching decks at sea<br /><br />if i had to guess, 'maturity' refers to the ability to successfully land 100% of the time without crashing into the boat and killing people on board and starting fires and all that fun stuffAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-4710503523092066702010-03-04T10:23:50.632+05:302010-03-04T10:23:50.632+05:30> gov should tell them strongly dont interfere ...> gov should tell them strongly dont interfere in our private matters.<br /><br />also you apparently did not read the article<br /><br />"The Indian Navy has shown interest in the Fire Scout VTUAV and Northrop Grumman has been engaged with the Indian Navy to discuss capabilities. We have provided briefings and answered questions from the highest level of the Indian Navy, <b>at their request</b>."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com