tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post570074377416059333..comments2023-10-11T17:09:54.975+05:30Comments on LIVEFIST: State Of Play: Three Years Since India Chose RafaleShiv Aroorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03510476258643893433noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-65168505011592059142015-02-11T21:28:44.458+05:302015-02-11T21:28:44.458+05:30The French position is clear. It does not need to ...The French position is clear. It does not need to nor will it provide any guarantee as to any Rafale manufactured in India. That is today a statement put out by French government agency DGA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-74471494632071751472015-02-11T05:28:55.467+05:302015-02-11T05:28:55.467+05:30The RAFALE is too expensive. Cancel the tender, th...The RAFALE is too expensive. Cancel the tender, this sorry story has gone on for too long. <br /><br />Instead pour the money into developing the AMCA, Tejas Mark 3, and the DRDO AURA. We can go from importing planes to making them ourselves.<br /><br />Time to bet big on Bharat.Raahul Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18144388090492230247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-60124182757713017802015-02-08T11:13:24.162+05:302015-02-08T11:13:24.162+05:30Rafale is needed to replace not Mig-21s & 23s ...Rafale is needed to replace not Mig-21s & 23s its replacment for Mig-27s and some early Jags thats why it is needed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-80371204766143251112015-02-07T23:35:09.993+05:302015-02-07T23:35:09.993+05:30As an uncle whose nephew wants to join IAF and fly...As an uncle whose nephew wants to join IAF and fly fighters ( and like some youngsters , nothing else), I am very happy that the IAF has stuck to its guns for primary trainer pilatus and hawks. It is our national duty to give them top of the line equipment like Rafale to boost their confidence when defending the country . We have the technical expertise but need political will and give a boot to the politicos,media,analysts,accountants and administrators who stand in the way. Rafale as of now is vastly superior to Eurofighter , the teens and the Russian wares . Rafale should replace our Navy Jags , Navy harriers , IAF Mirages and Mig 21's and the Mig 29's . An airforce flying the Sukhois coupled with Rafales shall give our defense forces the strength to face the lizards and the munnas . Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-9821844804168654312015-02-07T20:32:19.848+05:302015-02-07T20:32:19.848+05:30The FRENCH KISS is turning out to be too costly wh...The FRENCH KISS is turning out to be too costly when one can have better and longer fun with other aircraft's like Typhoon, SU&MIG 35 the other Europeans are equally good just taste them they also have vector thrust to enhance the fundaljibahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11461833095609839080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-41877353446691241902015-02-07T13:28:55.885+05:302015-02-07T13:28:55.885+05:30One thing I would like the experts to tell this ig...One thing I would like the experts to tell this ignorant pleb. What makes the Rafale so expensive over MKI or Su 30/ 34/35 which are equally sophisticated .Is it the western overpricing/ lack of volumes / only or is there something we dont know about. The ruskies are equally big shylocks when it comes to charging for a weapon system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-64750455475955789032015-02-07T02:37:25.587+05:302015-02-07T02:37:25.587+05:30Not clear what Rafale and its associated technolog...Not clear what Rafale and its associated technologies are so in demand. Stealth, nope does not have. Engines, not best in class. AESA, not best in class. Electronic warfare, again far from best in class. Range, too short. Let's be real. Against China, Rafale is not going to be able to penetrate China air defense. Even with air to air refueling, Rafale may not even get to the beach since the J20 will push the tankers so far back.<br /><br />A better much more cost effective defense/offense for India should focus on A2/AD with long range stand off stealthy weapons in massive numbers. by long range I mean at least 300km and preferably 1000 km+. Even the US pivot to Asia is emphasizing those. After all, none of us want war but to achieve that, India needs persistent persuasive dissuasion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-40478146712781246832015-02-07T01:23:31.076+05:302015-02-07T01:23:31.076+05:30Organizational standards and technical acumen have...Organizational standards and technical acumen have to be mustered. HAL must evolve into a "printer" from being just a "copier". They must deliver LCA or face administrative consequences. But the only way that will be possible if we stop buying everything from abroad.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15510405270029155789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-88780672011670935582015-02-06T22:15:24.007+05:302015-02-06T22:15:24.007+05:30Indian MoD has cancelled Medium Lift Transport ten...Indian MoD has cancelled Medium Lift Transport tender and cleared the decks for MTRA with Russians to move forward.<br />Great going. <br /><br />Scrap all these off the shelf buys including that of the Rafale !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-83000734999105539972015-02-06T14:32:36.355+05:302015-02-06T14:32:36.355+05:30IAF needs to put it's foot down for the Rafale...IAF needs to put it's foot down for the Rafale. It's the pilot who are going to face the heat during the battle and not bureaucrats or politicians who will just point fingers. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-59463803754466175552015-02-06T01:23:31.929+05:302015-02-06T01:23:31.929+05:30I don't understand why people talk about produ...I don't understand why people talk about producing LCA when we cannot produce it. Hal does not have the technical acumen or organisational standards required to implement such a large project on its own. Instead it tries to stop the IAF from going in for alternatives even at the cost of endangering our security. The light trainer Sitara and the primary trainer are the tragic examples. <br />THe IAF chiefs are only too happy to go along and not one has taken the fight to the PM / President / Public and demand the planes he requires be supplied.<br />Rafale and associated technologies are required by us no matter what the cost. Let it be complemented by Mig 29/GripensAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-19038763992680672712015-02-05T23:27:32.001+05:302015-02-05T23:27:32.001+05:30Modiji wants to scrap this deal and instead wants ...Modiji wants to scrap this deal and instead wants it to give to Obama. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-68124141023194894952015-02-05T08:59:58.836+05:302015-02-05T08:59:58.836+05:30Je Dis Aurevoir Rafale.Je Dis Aurevoir Rafale.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-90283626550731323442015-02-05T03:35:11.105+05:302015-02-05T03:35:11.105+05:30A few thoughts from a perplexed frenchman maybe Da...A few thoughts from a perplexed frenchman maybe Dassault interest in mmrca was always weak in the first place.. too much TOT. Nothing such with UAE or Qatar. Then there is the french politics ..Dasault family hostile to socialist party of Hollande. So Dassault actuallly might be ready to screw the deal with India, as long they have hope of selling to arab customers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-45131532474131121522015-02-05T02:59:56.720+05:302015-02-05T02:59:56.720+05:30As awesome as the Rafale is, I still think we shou...As awesome as the Rafale is, I still think we should invest our millions in the LCA program and expedite their induction. We really need NUMBERS now, and Tejas has just enough bells and whistles on it to get the job done.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15510405270029155789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-73684007659791894572015-02-03T22:17:45.567+05:302015-02-03T22:17:45.567+05:30Not worth spending so much money on an old has bee...Not worth spending so much money on an old has been fighter which no one has purchased just for the sake of an acronym.Instead we should find a better alternative.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-12909289005817833192015-02-03T13:49:52.937+05:302015-02-03T13:49:52.937+05:30Sukhoi30 mki used to cost around 40 to 60 million ...Sukhoi30 mki used to cost around 40 to 60 million earlier but now the one which nasik plantis chunking out is 102 million per jet so its not cheap either.I still think we should buy Rafael.3 years for selection hmm looks like till we decide,France will close the Rafael plant as well...prashantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-8817472941090834902015-02-03T10:25:24.141+05:302015-02-03T10:25:24.141+05:30Batter to cancel this make this jet in india idea ...Batter to cancel this make this jet in india idea and purchase 50 rafale straightaway from France. Bargin hard on this deal and try to get the best deal.Use the saved money to increase the Tajes mk1 production rate per year and aquire batter SAM systems to protect our Skies.Please note our IAF is already good enough for PAF without rafale but if our leaders thinks that Rafale can help fighting China then its a big mistake. China has insatalled layer of some of most deadly SAM(Like S300/S400) system around and it will be a suside for any indian Jet to enter Chinese skies.Also instead of playing the number game i think IAF should immediately take Mig 21 and Mig 27 off service. They are too old and destorying the IAF image amoung Indain Youth. Prashantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-21139656714476130542015-02-03T03:17:53.850+05:302015-02-03T03:17:53.850+05:30Not sure why the timeline on FGFA was taken down. ...Not sure why the timeline on FGFA was taken down. Would like to see it re-posted with any additional information that you may have.Satpathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14930322613338846228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-61176777709459148872015-02-02T23:41:54.883+05:302015-02-02T23:41:54.883+05:30Rafale shall give a lot of confidence to our flybo...Rafale shall give a lot of confidence to our flyboys against new and still newer F16's .The pakis by virtue of their close relationship with the chinks must have mastered SU 27 ., So Rafale is the only answer here although in reduced numbersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-35217863459082221152015-02-02T23:40:04.726+05:302015-02-02T23:40:04.726+05:30Rafale shall give a lot of confidence to our flybo...Rafale shall give a lot of confidence to our flyboys against new and still newer F16's .The pakis by virtue of their close relationship with the chinks must have mastered SU 27 ., So Rafale is the only answer here although in reduced numbersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-36460530927522498352015-02-02T11:15:35.222+05:302015-02-02T11:15:35.222+05:30@singam - If Dassault is playing hardball and not ...@singam - If Dassault is playing hardball and not complying with the RFQ, then dump L1 and go for L2. Is not the 2nd Organization (Eurofighter) Plan B.<br /><br />If both L1 & L2 are wasting time, dump them too and go for additional orders of SU-30MKI's (another 500).<br /><br />All the while I felt the Gripen NG or F/A-18 Super Hornet were the better options in the MMCRA review. so what if they came in at 3rd & 4th place. Atleast they stick to their commitments and deliver on time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-4176651893330018512015-02-02T10:13:09.920+05:302015-02-02T10:13:09.920+05:30NSR says ---
At $25 to 30 billions for 126 fighte...NSR says ---<br /><br />At $25 to 30 billions for 126 fighters and not taking responsibility for quality and delivery is a big no no no and humungous future trouble...<br /><br />At least India can bargain hard with Russia for further transfer of TOT and MOTs for not only SU-30MKI and Mig-29K, Smerch, T-90S, etc by dangling a big carrot of additional Super Sukhois and Mig-29Ks...<br /><br />At least this way India will have worthy planes by the time Tejas II and FGFA comes in...<br /><br />So use the money wisely to build up fighters and even get some batteries of S-400 at friendly prices...<br /><br />Russia will be too happy to do because of the severe recession and not losing an old friend like India...<br /><br />So don't wait...get to action...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-17651503246987793362015-02-02T10:11:32.158+05:302015-02-02T10:11:32.158+05:30Split the 126 MRCA order between 63 extra Su30 and...Split the 126 MRCA order between 63 extra Su30 and 63 Tejas MkI. Work on reducing the weight of MkI. Work seriously on the AMCA.Mahendra Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555317579273133878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-84549783952461815122015-02-02T09:03:35.713+05:302015-02-02T09:03:35.713+05:30Here some person has mentioned the Indian Air Forc...Here some person has mentioned the Indian Air Force to be a glamorous force. Well Sir do you think the pilots crash and lose their lives intentionally. Our institutions and colleges might be decaying but if you think the professionalism displayed by the IAF is low then I am sorry to say that you are not aware at all. IAF demands aircrafts because the HAL does not deliver, they are just a bunch of lazy people eating the taxpayers money. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com