tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post5943271155186167170..comments2023-10-11T17:09:54.975+05:30Comments on LIVEFIST: IAF loses first Su-30, one pilot killedShiv Aroorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03510476258643893433noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-8018251811132137732009-06-18T14:36:50.691+05:302009-06-18T14:36:50.691+05:30Hi,
When I had first made my comment on this thre...Hi,<br /><br />When I had first made my comment on this thread, a lot of fanboys had come down hard on me for my comments on the lack of proper training in the IAF.<br /><br />http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=159333<br /><br />The fanboys would want to see the report in the above link where it specifically says that the SU-30 crash was caused by pilot error and also that the death of the co-pilot was caused by the malfunctioning of equipment. Either way it points to serious deficiencies in the training of pilots and maintainence personnel of one of the premier fighter squadrons of the IAF. What say now fanboys?!!!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05200617606064771164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-14741532120686975222009-05-14T12:20:00.000+05:302009-05-14T12:20:00.000+05:30If india has plan for 200 nos in mmrca , it can ge...If india has plan for 200 nos in mmrca , it can get 126 nos Mig35 with TOT & balance will be F-16I without TOT . F-16 I version seems to be best in world with python 5 , it will give sharp edge against chinese fighters.NJShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03983153155305295119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-60292129154260796742009-05-04T10:47:00.000+05:302009-05-04T10:47:00.000+05:30well can't buy the Gripen coz the LCA mk-2 will ou...well can't buy the Gripen coz the LCA mk-2 will out perform it. EF tranche 3 is ideal.Sosanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-16905648076418270232009-05-04T03:08:00.000+05:302009-05-04T03:08:00.000+05:30according to me india should buy gripen bcoz it is...according to me india should buy gripen bcoz it is cheapest all of 6 and provide intermediate solution until pak fa atleast and required min service and it not Russian bcoz Russian ac= cheap,low tech and no quantity control i.e. short life span,high engine failure like kargil with mig-27 and upgrade need after few yearsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-9024774625184154052009-05-04T00:45:00.000+05:302009-05-04T00:45:00.000+05:30sosa, a lot of people here make more money than yo...sosa, a lot of people here make more money than you and know more than you as well. the difference between us and you is that we are better educated, and mind our tongue especially as we are guests on somebody else's webpage.<br />so, dear sosa, you are the "broke bitch", both mentally and characterwise. all your daddy's money cant buy you any respect, everyone here can see you for what you are. most probably an unemployed teenager out on the internet after some furious pocket billiards.<br /><br />doesnt impress us. go to school like a good boy, learn your tables hard, and one day you might amount to something.<br /><br />second - there is no peacetime and no wartime number. the iaf works according to a strictly laid down table of requirements for its pilots, and they have to meet those standards. after that, the excess flying done is according to spares available, and fuel allocation available to that unit. apart from the flightline availability which the "boss" decides with his lead engineering officer.<br /><br />IAF mki crew have indeed flown over 300 hours a year consistently. i doubt you have any sources in the IAF with which to even confirm these figures so you may as well look at AWST regarding the initial exercises that were flown at Gwalior and Pushpindar C's rejoinder to the controversy over Terry Fornof's remarks.<br /><br />part of the reason for the high flight hours is the nature of the tasks the MKIs are expected to fulfill at wartime, which are substantially different from the earlier fleet. this is has not been revealed publically yet so i will bide my peace.ananthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-91096948225783391682009-05-03T23:55:00.000+05:302009-05-03T23:55:00.000+05:30yo duda anon @ 11:04.........
you contribute enou...yo duda anon @ 11:04.........<br /><br />you contribute enough to buy 2 Su 30..... good enough.....but cant reveal your identity.......<br /><br />well i'm A B777 type rated examiner from Air india......there aren't many so probably keep on guessing and yeah u can guess my low end salary........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-23905043930331197042009-05-03T20:20:00.000+05:302009-05-03T20:20:00.000+05:30@SOSA
War time hours 30 Hrs/month and peace time 2...@SOSA<br />War time hours 30 Hrs/month and peace time 20 Hrs/month.<br /><br />Can you give some reference plz.Munishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-27706921076119835542009-05-03T19:49:00.000+05:302009-05-03T19:49:00.000+05:30The news said that the aircraft went into a involu...The news said that the aircraft went into a involuntary bunting maneuver which tossed it around in a 270 degree angle. Now bunting is pitching strongly down. They mention a uncontrollable spin and no response to stick movements, either technical fault or structural damage. i dont think the TVC has any problems coz the nozzel could malfunction but the aircraft will still fly coz its got thrust. i think its a fault in the FBW coz the loss of control was sudden and the pilot could not get any response from the stick. Now this could be a serious problem with hydraulics or pnuematics. usually a crash is the result of a chain of things going wrong.Sosanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-9395444319106691892009-05-03T13:20:00.000+05:302009-05-03T13:20:00.000+05:30I recently read in Indian Express that the aircraf...I recently read in Indian Express that the aircraft did an uncontrolled 270 degree manoeuver before the crash, so it could have been caused by a faulty thrust vector nozzle.<br /><br />That is the catch 22 with having thrust-vectoring nozzles: If a thrust-vector nozzle breaks during flight, you end up with an uncontrollable aircraft.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-58232803396549209512009-05-03T11:04:00.000+05:302009-05-03T11:04:00.000+05:30firstly the Su-30 doesn't fly 350 hrs a year, this...firstly the Su-30 doesn't fly 350 hrs a year, this is roughly 30 hours a month, moron thats more a war time number. the peace time number is around 20 hours a month.<br /><br />secondly, ananth...yes all i have is a big ego and a wide potty mouth, but hey i am a wealthy fucker who doesn't care for what really smart people like u think, coz smart as u are, ur a broke bitch. What i contribute in taxes per month is much more than u can make in an entire life-time, what i contribute per year can buy the IAF atleast 2 su-30mki, so yeah i feel pissed off when my tax money crashes to the ground, you dont contribute much anyways besides your smart words so continue living your minimum wage smart life, while enjoy the fruits of my wealth with all the ego that comes with it.Sosanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-85959033665420841932009-05-03T05:41:00.000+05:302009-05-03T05:41:00.000+05:30sosa, potty mouth aside, what do you really know? ...sosa, potty mouth aside, what do you really know? you can throw all the names and cuss words around, but you merely demonstrate your lack of knowledge.<br /><br />let me guess, in your own words, all you know is shit and all you have is a well defended ego.<br /><br />you say our pilots are trained to land the "fucker" with no engines. can i suggest you get off the potent brew you have been imbibing? the MKI is a FBW aircraft, if its engines cut off, and power fails, there is no option but to eject. same as in the newest fighters the world over.<br /><br />india loses aircraft each year because india's AF trains hard without any peacetime break. our pilots fly high flight hours month after month year after year. their professionalism is well regarded by people the world over.<br /><br />dont make us laugh about pakistan and its so called F-16 fleet. a few PR releases about error free flying dont tell anyone anything. tell us about the intensity of training ops and the reality will be apparent.<br /><br />second, there is no evidence of the MKI crash being because of poor maintenance. let the COI do its job first.<br /><br />as a IAF brat, who has watched the organization up close, and now sees the corporate world, there is a lot civilian India can learn from the IAF.Ananthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-76785539290097187592009-05-02T22:36:00.000+05:302009-05-02T22:36:00.000+05:30@ Sosa
100000 hours for F-16 right.
So let me ca...@ Sosa<br /><br />100000 hours for F-16 right.<br /><br />So let me calculate IAF fleet of Avg 50 Su30 since 2002.<br />7years x 50 planes x 350 hrs/year = 1,22,500 hrs and no crashes<br /><br />This is profesionalism of IAF with SU30Munishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-8547015754845612432009-05-02T21:46:00.000+05:302009-05-02T21:46:00.000+05:30Traditionally russian fighter has lower MTBO than ...Traditionally russian fighter has lower MTBO than western fighter. As sukhoi is main front line fighter, IAF uses it extensively.For this reason our sukhoi's life span also reduces.Russian made their plane according to their environment,requirement.Untill we made our plane according to our requirement these associated problems(engine problem,servicing problem,mordernization problem etc.) of a foreigne fighter will happen & we(tax payers) will bear these extra cost.Abhinabanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-92140807402401608172009-05-02T20:31:00.000+05:302009-05-02T20:31:00.000+05:30In the Us /CIS countries it was found that two man...In the Us /CIS countries it was found that two man crew is better in every way than a single pilot operated ac .The said Air Forces are using Navigators/ system operators who are highly professional in their operational task adding to the betterment in performance as well as Flight Safety ( one of the most important aspect in the modern day where the Air Craft cost humongous amount )But in the IAF it was thought by the fighter pilot that and put into operational policy that that two pilots will be better than the second professional crew as in the other air forces .From where they got the concept God only can tell but in my view this is a wonky way of looking at things & now it has proven wrong too .The loss incurred cannot be compensated by any means .Don’t forget that if the real war takes place where nuclear option is used & the ICs fail ,which they will I all like to see if ,I am alive what the consequences are .I hope someone corrects the follies of earlier decisions for the betterment of the force .Someone has to bell the cat .digvijayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17844939433983385201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-52273570211432365942009-05-02T19:30:00.000+05:302009-05-02T19:30:00.000+05:30sajay wrote: I believe the standard of our pilots ...sajay wrote: I believe the standard of our pilots and technicians is still not world class and the best way to get it on par with the best is to buy an american jet.<br />--------------------------------<br /><br />jeez, where do these specimens come from?<br /><br />if the standard of IAF technicians is not "world class" why did they end up impressing the hell out of everyone at red flag, 13,000 km away from home?<br /><br />and the best way to get our performance on par is by buying an american jet? you mean like the pee aye eff next door???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-6182299209227382022009-05-02T13:13:00.000+05:302009-05-02T13:13:00.000+05:30we are also good at playing the blame game with vi...we are also good at playing the blame game with virtually 0 learning. we dont learn any lessons till half our fleet is on the ground. screw the Indian democracy, its a disgrace. even the shitty Paki F-16 has held a record for 100,000 hrs of crash free flying on their Falcons. i didnt want to come down to do this but our crash record sucks compared even to the Pakis and yes i am writing this so it hurts our ego, coz besides well defended egos, we aint got shit.sosanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-9517984996780267992009-05-02T12:07:00.000+05:302009-05-02T12:07:00.000+05:30Mr. Jeet, well we have had enough crashes through ...Mr. Jeet, well we have had enough crashes through the years to show that either our maintenance sucks or our training, either way there is enough proof of negligence. Even if there isn't, explain such loss to the families of our pilots. We on average loose 5 to 10 aircraft per year, any number below 10 is considered a lean year. so please shut up. i dont care whose fault it is, i will only acknowledge and appreciate 0 defects and 0 losses to shit like this. please stop with the ridiculous outlook of what a beautiful job we do, if we did a good job, crashes wont occur at least for the reasons of poor maintenance. And yes i dont have to check to know the Su-30mki crashed due to faulty Russian parts, our pilots are trained enough to land the fucker even with no engines. The inital delivery of 18 su-30mk also had shite load of engine flameouts. <br />This is again Russian bad quality shit coming into play.Sosanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-30541373486489298812009-05-02T11:47:00.000+05:302009-05-02T11:47:00.000+05:30Remember, 1st Miragd 2000 crashed only after 2 yea...Remember, 1st Miragd 2000 crashed only after 2 years of it's induction(15 sep,1987).After 2 years of this incident2nd Mirage lost on AE Day Flypast(i.e 8 oct,89).This time Wg.Cdr. Bakshi(a senior most experienced pilot) killed . Every life loss is painfull,but blaming all fault on russian fighter is also very naggingfull. After-all su-30mki is not immortal thing,like all flying machines it also crashed.Abhinabanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-40686437084837053322009-05-02T11:13:00.000+05:302009-05-02T11:13:00.000+05:30Guys,
Before you speculate and ill-inform some mor...Guys,<br />Before you speculate and ill-inform some more Indians.... Wg Cdr Nara was one of the most accomplished pilots.. he was not a navigator.. He commanded the prestigious 21 Sqn Ankush...he was a DASI Inspector..and he was on a inspecting mission regarding the state of prpeparedness of the SU-30 fleet. Wg Cdr Munje was the most experienced of the Sqn Fighter Combat Leaders..hence stop talking about negligence... they are the best breed of professionals one can ever come across. <br />Regarding buying US stuff etc.. thats a political decision..sometimes you need to buy whats best for the country even if there is a better fighter elsewhere...our strategic interests need to be taken into consideration too... stop whining for the US planes... they have had more crashes than we can recount.<br /><br />The Su-30 has not had a single crash since 1997 when they were inducted...that speaks volumes regarding the aircraft and the sheer professionalism of its pilots. <br /><br />We dont need 'kick-ass ' training Sajay... we have much better training than all the corporate trainers put together and more over we dont need the US to teach us....not gloating over our superiority but just the fact that we have thoroughbred professional training systems in place...the US F-15 and F-16 pilots would vouch for this when we smacked their asses despite their " kick-ass" training as you put it.<br /><br />Let the Court Of Inquiry bring out the facts....dont jump to conclusions. The IAF has time tested systems of fact finding in place...we have lost an extremely experienced patriot and professional...please be compassionate to his family .<br />Do not write fantasies which you surmise when you know no facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-19585509571232540592009-05-02T06:28:00.000+05:302009-05-02T06:28:00.000+05:30Dear BPO expert, please continue at the BPO and le...Dear BPO expert, please continue at the BPO and let the IAF do its job. And as for US training, we trained the USAF enough about what us third worlders are capable of both at Gwalior (9:1 win ratio) or at Mountain Home (27:1).<br /><br />Fact of life is military aviation (fighters) are the riskiest job there is. I can think of none riskier apart from the Siachen Pioneers (chopper unit). Things go wrong and its professionalism and luck which save the day. But sometimes even they are not enough.<br /><br />You kids should wish WingCo Nara a glorious trip to the afterlife and think about helping his family and loved ones he left behind. Its the least you can do.<br /><br />Instead you children are attacking the professionalism of the IAF and that publicity hound Prasun will never quit using each and every incident for his self promotion.<br /><br />Grow up please!!Ravindranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-6432708036634570332009-05-02T06:23:00.000+05:302009-05-02T06:23:00.000+05:30Prasun, you know nothing of the reasons for the cr...Prasun, you know nothing of the reasons for the crash. So shut up and stop speculating. For once have some grace in your life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-17421447997780105482009-05-02T02:50:00.000+05:302009-05-02T02:50:00.000+05:30Is this fighter made by HAL ? can anyone shed ligh...Is this fighter made by HAL ? can anyone shed light on this..plzzAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-47902617503135830882009-05-02T02:09:00.000+05:302009-05-02T02:09:00.000+05:30^^^^^^^^^^^
Bull shit. Here are US losses in Iraq...^^^^^^^^^^^<br /><br />Bull shit. Here are US losses in Iraq.<br />http://taylor.typepad.com/blog/2009/01/67-aircraft-lost-in-the-war-on-terror.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-38991749082532555052009-05-02T02:03:00.000+05:302009-05-02T02:03:00.000+05:30su27,su30 series are flying for over last 25 years...su27,su30 series are flying for over last 25 years ,every kind of aircraft has crashed <br /><br />and su30 is no exceptionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-13934535161289341402009-05-02T02:02:00.000+05:302009-05-02T02:02:00.000+05:30And I can say for certainity that only the america...And I can say for certainity that only the americans have a peculiar 'kick-ass' way of training and motivating you which can do your performance a world of good. Today in the IAF we need that same 'kick-ass' effect.<br />----------------------------<br />foolish comment<br /><br />ya thats why they lost f22 this yearAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com