tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post6382022365938184669..comments2023-10-11T17:09:54.975+05:30Comments on LIVEFIST: COLUMN: M-MRCA, A Difficult Choice For The IAFShiv Aroorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03510476258643893433noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-53198689076123948852010-09-14T15:42:18.565+05:302010-09-14T15:42:18.565+05:30After that a Swedish JAS 39 GRIPEN fighter shot do...After that a Swedish JAS 39 GRIPEN fighter shot down 7 of US top pilots in the exercise Cope Thunder (RED FLAG) the US air force realized that their air forces do not hold the measure. On the US air force's webpage, one could read that they must have F-22 in next exercise in order to have a chance against GRIPEN and that this also applied against all other European fighters.<br />It was also stated that GRIPEN had to be the most cost effective fighter in the world.<br />Years ago, there was talk hear in the US about building the Gripen under license. The Swedes really know how to build a tough, maintainable fighter that can get the job done without costing too much. If it wasn't for politics and national pride, it would have a lot more buyers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-77436615626919956832010-08-22T12:31:02.293+05:302010-08-22T12:31:02.293+05:30It is removed (has mixed section)It is removed (has mixed section)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-1203244985338306162010-07-03T03:44:55.811+05:302010-07-03T03:44:55.811+05:30Amusing rattle going on here..hmmm.. Well, methink...Amusing rattle going on here..hmmm.. Well, methinks that our Forcemen know it better... i.e. what suits India best. Though we are free to fantasize the choices as if we are in a pc game..having various fighter options for us. From my side let it be Mig-35 from a good old friend, relying on whose equipments we grilled Pak as ever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-29860199768135278962010-06-02T15:55:20.915+05:302010-06-02T15:55:20.915+05:30F/A-18E/F Super Hornet - It would be the best opt...F/A-18E/F Super Hornet - It would be the best option for india. As india can also get carrier based version for its aircraft carrier. Go for F/A-18E/F Super Hornet india....Ravi Khannanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-40724821368327785942010-05-30T18:58:24.841+05:302010-05-30T18:58:24.841+05:30There is so much of discussion on LCA and cost etc...There is so much of discussion on LCA and cost etc. <br />1. I have all the respect for Indian scientist. But can we compromise on national security to accommodate LCA? <br />2. Remember LCA was envisaged in 1985. Finally it may be inducted after compromising on some capability which IAF had asked for in 1985!! We have not manufactured a successful rifle in last 60 years. Even Nepal had refused to accept our donated Insa rifle<br />3. And what kind of indigenous capability are we talking about? Engine is imported, so is radar and weapon suit!!<br />4. As far as money is concerned, Defence is insurance. When you take insurance you obviously will get less benefit than mutual fund. But at time of need,insurance will save you. The success of defence strategy is not how many wars have you won but how many wars have you saved! If we did not have war for such a long time it is not because of friendly neighbours but because these neighbours did not find fighting war a worthwhile alternative. So while considering expenditure, carry out the analysis the expenditure on MMRCA and the war it may save.<br />4. Now on type of aircraft. The article of Air Cmde is undisguisedly tilted towards Grippen. Let experts do their job. The IAF has asked for certain capability, whosoever can offer that at the cheapest cost will be chosen. Rest everything is subjective and should not be considered.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-25444649274777055812010-05-28T15:13:50.706+05:302010-05-28T15:13:50.706+05:30i want to know which aircraft can fit bhramos miss...i want to know which aircraft can fit bhramos missiles. I think india will look this option also as bhromas missiles are heavy and they wnat that kind of heavy aircraft to flow. If bhromos missiles are used with fighter jets then thay also have to test with big fighters in leh that it can take so much load with more droptanks for more range.Ravi Khannanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-17767093765619680142010-05-25T03:37:53.550+05:302010-05-25T03:37:53.550+05:30Spending money on weapons that we will never use g...Spending money on weapons that we will never use gives us pride that we can standup to Pakistan. It makes them think twice before they attack our desh. Anyhow is it the fate of those 450million to be stunted.Chada Singhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-56761625309621102022010-05-25T02:18:52.084+05:302010-05-25T02:18:52.084+05:30@ Anonymous said... (a lot of wellfare money give...@ Anonymous said... (a lot of wellfare money given by the rest of the world)<br /><br />WELL FARE so that we can Fare well The money is spend wisely enough and any which ways why are you asking that? DO no give me the excuse of being a world citizen <br /><br />The polio regim medicins do not come for free also we are giving back in Humanitiran Aid to other countries and well as involved in Development of other countries. That is Enough the remaining money that is being spend on purchase is TAX money and money from other income source like disinvestment in Public sector cos.RATnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-90946189459603670302010-05-24T12:35:12.181+05:302010-05-24T12:35:12.181+05:30Hmmm....
India...military superpower?...why?....o...Hmmm....<br /><br />India...military superpower?...why?....one of the poorest country in the world with over a billion inhabitants...with all those problems that situation brings!(huge gaps between social groups)<br /> <br />No electricity or drinking water to 25-40% of the people....newborn female babies gets killed on daily basis.....major health problems...starving..over 450 milion people living on less then 1£ per day.<br /><br />Give me ONE reason for you to spend your money (a lot of wellfare money given by the rest of the world) to become a military super power? (and don't give me the Pakistan farytale again)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-50710643739445800832010-05-24T02:01:11.062+05:302010-05-24T02:01:11.062+05:30If LCA dies, how will india become a superpower? C...If LCA dies, how will india become a superpower? Can you imagine a superpower that has to import equipment from a tiny nation for its survival?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-6965908735913542572010-05-23T22:25:41.801+05:302010-05-23T22:25:41.801+05:30@Anonymous said...
Yes it had!
(since october)
G...@Anonymous said... <br />Yes it had!<br />(since october)<br /><br />GOOD then it will be good bye LCA as 200 or so Gripen will be purchased and LCA will be not be inducted above 50 same engine manufacturer for both the planes Schema contract cancelled India ends up spending a fortune on imported stuff for the atleat next 50 yrs I AM NOT AGAINST GRIPEN HERE B'COZ INDIA WILL HAVE TO REPLACE AROUND 300 FIGHTERS IN COMING FEW YEARS THE MIG-27's ARE AGEING AS WELL WE NEED A PLANE THAT CAN FILL UP THE GAP LEFT VACANT BY MIG 21 AND 27 SO THE CHOICE HAS TO BE RIGHT DO NOT LOOK AT MMRCA AS MERE REPLACMENT FOR MIG 21's AND WE DO NOT HAVE MORE MONEY TO SPEND ON LCA AS WELL AS SOME OTHER PLANE THE GLOBAL ECONOMY IS STILL RECOVERINGRATnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-45867328592373739542010-05-23T18:05:43.076+05:302010-05-23T18:05:43.076+05:30If Gripen or the F-16 wins the 126 MMRCA contract ...If Gripen or the F-16 wins the 126 MMRCA contract the LCAs might be limited to just about 139 aircraft. there is an option of another 49 LCAs and 63 MMRCAs if required.with as many as 270 + SU-30MKIs it is higly unlikely that they would buy an expensive heavy fighter especially when they will have 5th gen jets in less than a decade which would also be twin engined.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-2122265633630226722010-05-23T08:12:06.394+05:302010-05-23T08:12:06.394+05:30RAT....
AESA radar?
Yes it had!
(since october)
...RAT....<br /><br />AESA radar?<br /><br />Yes it had!<br />(since october)<br /><br />http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2009/gripen_ng_demo_returns_to_the_skies.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-14230480421140669392010-05-23T04:13:44.868+05:302010-05-23T04:13:44.868+05:30Whenever Gripen is mentioned we hear of all the ma...Whenever Gripen is mentioned we hear of all the manufacturers in the world and Gripen assembling the pieces.<br />No one excepting SA has purchased the Gripen.<br />If having an LCA oriented philosphy of manufacturing i.e. buying elements from multiple nations is not a strategic liability - what is a strategic liability. This is a platform just like the Eurofighter which has not matured and India should invest in something which vaguely resembles the Indian LCA - I am not out of my mind. I want my LCA then.<br />The Eurofighter specifications written by Mr. Khanna are a copy of the MIG-35 at double the price. I praise the Eurofighter because I have read in many sources that the Eurofighter has locked F-22. Maybe I read a fictitious statement but that to me means it is an excellent fighter worth the price.<br />I do not think others can claim that distinction. It has supercruise which we pay dearly for - do we need it.<br />It is a twin engined jet, we have to pay for all that and we will not get TOT - it just does not fit the bill of being a small multirole fighter with immense speed, endurance and power.<br />Russian may give TOT like T90 and ARIHANT, AKASH, MISSILES etc.<br />I still feel that when cool heads prevail MIG-35 is an outstanding, the best MADE FOR INDIA buy.<br />It does need a better engine like Mr. Khanna suggests.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-80740050509142995032010-05-22T22:37:40.638+05:302010-05-22T22:37:40.638+05:30@Anonymous said... Gripen Demo REPORTEDLY clears L...@Anonymous said... Gripen Demo REPORTEDLY clears Leh trials beautifully ... doing ALL routines required. <br />YOU MEAN IT HAD THE AESA RADAR ON IT WHEN IT CAME HERE? <br />ALL THE PLANES EXCEPT F-16 IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT SO WHY NOT GO WITH A OPTION THAT WILL BE BETTER FOR THE FUTURE OUR GUIES CAN LEARN FROM THE EURO AND GRIPEN IS IN THE SAME WEIGHT CATEGORY OF LCA CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG. LCA IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AND THE REASON I WANT THE GRIPEN NOT SELECTED IS BECAUSE IT WILL NOT COMPLEMENT THE LCA GROWTH BUT WILL KILL THE PROJECT (THE ARJUN STORY IS A GOOD EXAMPLE) AND WHY DO I SAY IT BECAUSE WE LOVE FORIGEN STUFF MORE THAN OURS LCA WILL STIMULATE INDUSTRIAL GROWTH HENCE PROVIDING MORE JOBS TO THE INDIAN PEOPLE. IT IS A GOOD PLANE BUT NOT AS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY IN A LONG RUN. IN COMES THE GRIPEN OUT GOES THE LCA AS IT IS THE IAF IS NOT VERY PLEASED AND GRIPEN WILL ONLY ADD TO THE MISERY WILL THE IAF WANTS 2 PLANES OF SIMILAR CATEGORY ONE IS INDIAN OTHER IS SWEDISH. INDIA IS PLAGUED WITH CORRUPTION IF THE LCA DOES NOT MAKE IT NO OTHER PLANE WILL EVER MAKE IT IN IAF AND THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE. THINK..........RATnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-74733199044078154422010-05-22T17:39:09.727+05:302010-05-22T17:39:09.727+05:30I recommend the FAB and IAF to join hands and sele...I recommend the FAB and IAF to join hands and select The Gripen Demo platform as their choice. <br />Brazil and South Africa already is co-developing the A-Darter fifth generation infrared homing air-to-air missile (AAM). (Remember South Africa is alredy flying Jas Gripen 39 C/D, so they will integrate it with the Gripen. the SAAB Gripen has already been sold to different customers. Both Nato and non Nato members<br />Whats more in the deal? LCA Tejas can also use the Gripen Demo engine GE F 414G. Hot refuling capacity. An already state of the art AAM integrated missile to the Gripen system. The lowest TCO and the promise of total TOT. (AESA) radar and gives FAB and IAF option of adding any weaponary to further boost boths capability.<br />This is a win-win for Brazil, India Sweden (and the USA that will supply the engine for the whole deal)Farangennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-88036162267631393352010-05-22T01:40:29.965+05:302010-05-22T01:40:29.965+05:30Commit to purchase minimum 400 ej200 based LCAs an...Commit to purchase minimum 400 ej200 based LCAs and purchase of gripen would not interfere with tejas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-25239392472052545802010-05-21T20:25:33.893+05:302010-05-21T20:25:33.893+05:30Nobody is going to give india TOT. They will only ...Nobody is going to give india TOT. They will only give just enough to assemble the components and maybe something for which they already have a successor to. Look at BRAMOS....still very little TOT...all critical components still made in russia. For those countries to give away true TOT, means they loose their competitive edge overnight. The only way india will get ahead is to invest more into LCA.Marcusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-29818923425477705482010-05-21T12:38:15.401+05:302010-05-21T12:38:15.401+05:30I am the "anonymous" poster of the post ...I am the "anonymous" poster of the post 11.50 and I just want to clearyfy to all of you that the last sentences in that post is a QUOTE from Vishnu. I repeat, the post itself is NOT written by Vishnu. <br /><br />My intention with the post was simply to highlight some of the posters cheering for their contender based on feelings rather than facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-63572817821548363542010-05-21T10:29:50.036+05:302010-05-21T10:29:50.036+05:30" All of them are reportedly very expensive, ..." All of them are reportedly very expensive, with reported prices ranging from Euro 48 million for the Rafale to Euro 88 million for the Eurofighter and US$ 58 million for the Super Hornet. "<br />Among the super 3s Rafale is the best suited for IAF as Eurofighter is too pricey. Tech transfer should not be a problem with Rafale. SH has no guarantee of complete tech transfer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-77055290124857017262010-05-20T19:32:49.683+05:302010-05-20T19:32:49.683+05:30we shld strt production of LCA
it will satisfy al...we shld strt production of LCA <br />it will satisfy all these needs and can be developed more and more... per year..<br /><br />while we cannot upgrade mmrca's more effectively...<br /><br />the need is to take more sensible decision <br /><br />LCA production shld within a year..<br /><br />F-16 also was not that much agile and sophisticated when it was developed.. now it is 1 of the best .... <br /><br />invest 12 billion in research and production... for LCA<br /><br />after all "APNI BANAYI CHEEZ APNI HE HOTI HAI " and we can improve it with Israel and russian help ,JUST Add AESA and it will be a fighting bird...<br /><br />reply and comment..SUMIT*♠♪☻&дMמ¢https://www.blogger.com/profile/16862430525615275650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-78202106414476063862010-05-20T18:35:15.270+05:302010-05-20T18:35:15.270+05:30I will say INDIA go for Eurofighter Typhoon.
Reas...I will say INDIA go for Eurofighter Typhoon.<br /><br />Reasons:<br />1) New Partnership.<br />2) Full TOT - India Needs it Badly.<br />3) With Thrust vectoring Engines Offerd to India.<br />4)Service - Low maintanence Record. Which Means not to spend time on refurbisment of Aircraft.<br />5) Great Power & Outstanding Performance.<br />6) New Radar & New Avionics.<br />7) Many Armament Choice.(Missiles & Bombs)<br />8)Range and combat radius is very good.<br />9) State of Art Technology.<br />10) Multirole Fighter.<br />11)Better Upgrades.<br />12)Better Fuel Consumption.<br />13)It has ability to Supercruise without using afterburners.<br />14)Rate of Climb is Superb.<br />15) Service Ceiling is better than any other contender in race with MMRCA.<br />16) External Stations are more.<br />17)Airframe - Best in Class.<br />18)All Weather Cockpit.<br />19) Great Stability.<br />20)Great Voice control - Typhoon DVI system utilises a Speech Recognition Module (SRM) best in it's Class.<br /><br />This make Eurofighter Typhoon an EDGE Over all contenders to lead the race.<br /><br />India Pls go for Eurofighter Typhoon. All The Best. <br /><br />Dont think of money without technology nothing is better. If money can buy technology go and get it.Ravi Khannanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-20406126539441796602010-05-20T18:16:29.954+05:302010-05-20T18:16:29.954+05:30India Should Go with Eurofighter Typhoon. If They ...India Should Go with Eurofighter Typhoon. If They give India Full Transfer of Technology. As india need's Technology Transfer. Also AESA rader with Complete Code's to set according to indian needs. At This point India Should not think of Money. India Needs newer technology for defending. China and pakistan are growing their parnership with Complete TOT. Then Why should India lack. If Eurofighter Typhoon is providing their fighters with Full TOT for some more price then india should go for the deal.Ravi Khannanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-49267747868169699002010-05-20T16:36:36.208+05:302010-05-20T16:36:36.208+05:30Gripen is simply not an effective fighter jet exce...Gripen is simply not an effective fighter jet excepting for short take off, hot refueling - interesting features - but one cannot build a modern IAF with Gripen and look ahead. Its engine is a strategic liability.<br /><br />Aha....who told you that??? So....supercruise, Aesa radar (120 degrees each side), worlds most advanced datalink acknowledged by LM, Boeing, Dassault etc. (since decades), full integration of IrisT, Meteor (and of course the second division missles like sidewinder & amraam), Full integration of almost all offensive ordonance in the west, low RCS, the effective EWS39, HMD, MAV, market leading cockpit interface (evaluated by many different pilots) lowest procurement price, 30% operation cost comparing to the others..etc. is n o t considered as an effective fighter jet?????<br />---------------------------------<br />Its engine is a strategic liability.<br /><br />Hmm....What about the F18, LCA.....? Tell me..what are the problems you see that no one else (using their engines) has discovered?<br />----------------------------------<br />Mig 35??<br />Are you totally out of your mind?<br />Most of customers to SU & Mig are happy to send them back again...their availability and safety are among the lowest on the entire market...haven't you noticed that they are falling down on daily basis? Doing business with russians.. again??<br />The most corrupted nation of all bidders...you simply don't know if the country exists in 10 years...jesus!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-61341227345982440822010-05-20T16:28:06.167+05:302010-05-20T16:28:06.167+05:30Anonymous @ 1:39 PM, this Subho fellow is a known ...Anonymous @ 1:39 PM, this Subho fellow is a known Tejas basher. He's done it on other threads also. Just ignore him.<br /><br /><b>BUT TO BE HONEST I WILL ALWAYS PREFFER A STEALTHIER FAST AGILE AND ADVANCED LCA TO ANY OF THE PRESENT MMRCA CONTENDERS</b><br /><br />RAT, I fully agree with the above. Tejas Mk.2 especially is likely to equate the Mirage-2000 and Gripen-NG in specs. So, no need of importing an expensive MRCA.Abhimannoreply@blogger.com