tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post7045863731787736944..comments2023-10-11T17:09:54.975+05:30Comments on LIVEFIST: Indian Frigate Vindhyagiri Sunk By MerchantmanShiv Aroorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03510476258643893433noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-37726792834312742062015-04-07T21:55:54.693+05:302015-04-07T21:55:54.693+05:30Shipment transport rates could be somewhat complic...Shipment transport rates could be somewhat complicated if not frightening specifically first-time or inexperience shippers, even experience shippers can also uncover he using shipment transport rates very hard to cope with considering that the rates vary every now and then, and also besides this specific, costs associated with coping with varies collected from one of transportation organization to the different specifically with regards to intercontinental deliveries. Carrying out many researches can help you uncover more cost-effective transport rates.<a href="http://safeproins.com/" rel="nofollow">Truckers Insurance</a> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-58209130946236031892011-02-03T15:48:25.522+05:302011-02-03T15:48:25.522+05:30Commercial interests always come first in our coun...Commercial interests always come first in our country and that is the reason why most people have commented saying Navy should vacate mumbai harbour. But have forgotten the valour of the navy men during 1971 war and during mumbai floods and marine comando action in mumbai 26/11 attacks. Unfortunately the mumbai coast is not under navy and was under coast guard else 26/11 would never have happened. So let us not drive out our navy from mumbai for the fault of a merchant ship<br />Moreover like in any road accident it is just not enough if youa re driving safely others should also drive carefully.appears that the pilot of the merchant ship was in a great hurry to finish his duty and go back home and rammed into Vindhyagiri.<br />Last but not the least Shiv Aroor ji, qualified defence journalist Vindhyagiri is resting on the bed of the harbour and it is not sunk. Dont make your blog akin to India TV and Lemon TV just for a few hits more.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03294655382181526755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-72845305512216532332011-02-02T13:36:39.339+05:302011-02-02T13:36:39.339+05:30whats going on in mumbai harbour ? we have lost ou...whats going on in mumbai harbour ? we have lost our two ships first one being ICGS vivek. the merchant vessel has to pay for our frigate. no matter it was an old ship. she was active frigate of indian navy.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04703208124452324085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-47723437417614917032011-02-02T12:17:15.065+05:302011-02-02T12:17:15.065+05:30@Anon:
''talking of civvie merchant ships...@Anon:<br /><br />''talking of civvie merchant ships navigating in most busy harbours, try entering without a pilot in every possible harbour that you can think of and then come back to me''<br /><br />The ex Indian Navy was a navigator and it shows the standard of training and competence Indian Navy navigating officers have !<br /><br />BTW> Everyone uses harbour pilots but as far as worldwide sailing in busy English Channel, Red Sea, Straits of Gibralter, Mallacca Straits etc etc is concerned it is the merchant shipmen who do excellent watchkeeping and navigation.<br /><br />It is a known fact that ex-Navy personnels are the worst navigators around the world. They just have king-size egos. Can they ever imagine commanding a ULCC or VLCC size vessel with just 18 crew members in total ??<br /><br />Cheers !Upendranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-57563636956446801552011-02-02T08:56:22.212+05:302011-02-02T08:56:22.212+05:30@Artanis
what navy is taking some select ones for...@Artanis<br /><br />what navy is taking some select ones for a tour at the cost of Indian taxpayers money !!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-36609515586107306702011-02-02T01:20:08.806+05:302011-02-02T01:20:08.806+05:30Dont merchant ships have insurance? oO.. Lets buy ...Dont merchant ships have insurance? oO.. Lets buy a new INS ship with the insurance money !!! :)<br />~velAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-42121456567726315882011-02-01T22:51:31.787+05:302011-02-01T22:51:31.787+05:30Anon@4:16,
Lets remember that we are talking about...Anon@4:16,<br />Lets remember that we are talking about a tonnage differential of many many thousand tonnes.Redundancy has little to do anything with it,sheer mass and momentum has. A shell hit is very different from a collision. An anti-ship missile hit for a ship of this size would be nothing short of catastrophic.In the Falklands HMS Sheffield was sunk by an UNEXPLODED Exocet missile,just the burning rocket motor and resultant fire were enough. A warship has to fight and survive using it weapons,sensors and tactics not by being crash worthy against a 20,000 tonne ship.Surviving catastrophic collisions frankly depends on luck and what you are colliding with.These merchant vessels have large protruding bulb keels and they will result is heck of damage to a ship of barely 2000 tonnes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-18343684550261034542011-02-01T22:21:28.527+05:302011-02-01T22:21:28.527+05:30Navy ships act like local louts, often it is ego, ...Navy ships act like local louts, often it is ego, rather than right of way that is followed. There are ships in different state of sinking all over the bloody harbour, the reason for this is clearly a lack of proper and enforced navigation, into and out of the harbour. Add to that haphazard fishing nets, slow fishing boats in shipping channels/lane. Everytime one of these idiots pranks their ship, they spill oil into the harbour, playing hell into the marine life, besides creating a nuisance. There is a reason there are rules, when you break them, ships sink, people lose lives!Indiaspinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12843765835493797365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-29182718560874772172011-02-01T21:47:14.466+05:302011-02-01T21:47:14.466+05:30It was returning from a tour carrying families of ...It was returning from a tour carrying families of personnel and some civilians.The MV Nordlake was exiting the harbor as the Vindhyagiri was trying to navigate its way in. The Nordlake steered suddenly to avoid another ship that it was communicating with (MV Sea Eagle). That's when it collided with the warship.<br /><br />One thing I would like to point out is its damn hard to avoid a collision like this. When a ship is entering dock its speed is very slow and it takes time to power up the engine and turn a ship. <br />If someone is dumb enough to crash a 175 meter long fully loaded vessel in your ship then there isn't much you can do.Wik And Fablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02069069498945320864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-13991404996164284392011-02-01T20:20:39.436+05:302011-02-01T20:20:39.436+05:30Thirty years back we seven Officers were giving Ar...Thirty years back we seven Officers were giving Armoured Tank driving test and drove very cautiously like a passenger car to our surprise our instructor (Russian) failed us and gave us a week for retest after giving a demonstration which was fast and ferocious.similarly flying a military aircraft,steering a warship or driving a tank is not like as in a air plane, cruise ship or a car, you would be going for a battle not a picnic hope you all get it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-105792733171708162011-02-01T20:17:42.157+05:302011-02-01T20:17:42.157+05:30@ Upendra - that ex-navy captain must have been a ...@ Upendra - that ex-navy captain must have been a logistic/engineering guy or worst an education cadre captain who was employed by some dumb shipping company in a duty that he was never trained in the navy.<br />+ <br />talking of civvie merchant ships navigating in most busy harbours, try entering without a pilot in every possible harbour that you can think of and then come back to me<br />()<br />VRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-70587924856588899142011-02-01T17:58:23.056+05:302011-02-01T17:58:23.056+05:30Submarine fleet is already in shit this wasn't...Submarine fleet is already in shit this wasn't needed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-89987927985692836892011-02-01T17:38:22.083+05:302011-02-01T17:38:22.083+05:30What if:
-The INS vindhyagiri was a newly commissi...What if:<br />-The INS vindhyagiri was a newly commissioned ship with state of art brahmos sea skimming missiles <br />- INS vindhyagiri had nuke tipped missiles.<br />- INS vindhyagiri had exploded with all its ammunition.<br /><br />The worst and sick part is how navy/ indian politics will eat kickbacks to push this under carpet . And if this does nt happen a HC judge in maharashtra will fine Rs . 10000 to this shipping company for this offence.<br /><br />I know its very negative but these are only possible repurcussions in our countrymathi mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-11385369839882699582011-02-01T17:28:01.738+05:302011-02-01T17:28:01.738+05:30@Artanis
What was INS Vindhyagiri doing when ther...@Artanis<br /><br />What was INS Vindhyagiri doing when there was a confusion between those 2 merchant ships ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-65410053570538243872011-02-01T17:21:27.038+05:302011-02-01T17:21:27.038+05:30@12.31
Warships of most countries are commanded b...@12.31<br /><br />Warships of most countries are commanded by egoistic cocksuckers who expect mere civvie ships to give way.<br />This can be problematic when said civvie ship is several times their mass and turns as fast as a mountain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-90128638299238751512011-02-01T16:21:03.383+05:302011-02-01T16:21:03.383+05:30another blow to our underwater warefare...HOW COUL...another blow to our underwater warefare...HOW COULD ANYBODY BE SO CARELESS when we have depletion of underwater capabilities?<br />how could one be so careless on ttaxpayer's money??<br />probably chink-paki are behind this and will celebrate this with those SE(A)MEN..who the hell is this guynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-30472468285624104462011-02-01T16:16:28.396+05:302011-02-01T16:16:28.396+05:30@anon
1:39 pm
"Modern Naval warfare does not ...@anon<br />1:39 pm<br />"Modern Naval warfare does not include 'ramming' another ship or the enemy as a standard tactic!"<br /><br />who said ramming was a tactic.<br /><br />a warship may take a hit from an enemy missile or shellfire. They should be compartmentalised so that the affected area is swiftly isolated. They cannot sink at the first opportunity <br /><br /><br />A warship should have greater redundancy than a merchant ship, which appears to have survived the collision intact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-20116852814700442782011-02-01T15:37:27.547+05:302011-02-01T15:37:27.547+05:30An ex-Indian Navy Captain sailing on a merchant ve...An ex-Indian Navy Captain sailing on a merchant vessel as a Captain once plotted a course directly overland ...shows how competent our Naval Officers are when it come to navigation and observing rules of the road !<br /><br />Don't blame poor merchant seamen ...they are used to navigating in most crowded places of the world !Upendranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-27665062514029941972011-02-01T14:50:47.692+05:302011-02-01T14:50:47.692+05:30Ship has not sunk. It is resting on the sea bed in...Ship has not sunk. It is resting on the sea bed in 7 mtr deep water.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-69892770735575507462011-02-01T13:39:00.646+05:302011-02-01T13:39:00.646+05:30@Anon
11:55 PM,
Modern Naval warfare does not incl...@Anon<br />11:55 PM,<br />Modern Naval warfare does not include 'ramming' another ship or the enemy as a standard tactic!<br />A naval ship fights with its weapons and aircraft NOT with its 'hull' or 'structure'.Thus a naval ship need not be a lumbering mass of metal designed to be a battering ram.A naval ship while being strong also has to be sufficiently light to enable swift deployment,speed and evasive action.Thus a compromise level of weight/steel is used for warships.Tankers/container ships require to carry huge amounts of Cargo, speed/swiftness is secondary.They can be lumbering giants.Were the above not so,the collision between two lumbering masses would have been much worse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-57545625807026228822011-02-01T12:31:39.792+05:302011-02-01T12:31:39.792+05:30My brother saw it first hand from the Viraat. Now ...My brother saw it first hand from the Viraat. Now the question is - how is it that no one on either ship and no one in the rest of the fleet saw the ships heading towards each other? Are the owners of the merchantman being penalized?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-20202239971402651712011-02-01T12:14:32.431+05:302011-02-01T12:14:32.431+05:30The NIlgiri class - Leander class - was made in th...The NIlgiri class - Leander class - was made in the early 1970s just after the 1971 Indo-Pak War. The "Improved Leander" class was in the early 1980s - so they are more or less at the end of their life. But it is still unacceptable that this should have happened.KVRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09766656778946443284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-34409587355126861802011-02-01T11:12:10.669+05:302011-02-01T11:12:10.669+05:30INS Vindhyagiri was supposed to be decommissioned ...INS Vindhyagiri was supposed to be decommissioned mostly after the induction of 2nd Shivalik class frigate.Two Shivalik Class and three more Talwar class will be inducted by 2014,so fleet size will increase but safety of ships should be reviewed.However it is sad that we lost it(In navy it is called the worst way-loosing ship during peacetime).<br>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-68058663175540402052011-02-01T11:12:02.660+05:302011-02-01T11:12:02.660+05:30anon 11.55 !!! force=mass X acceleration as per ne...anon 11.55 !!! force=mass X acceleration as per newtons laws of motion!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-53284161497862862282011-02-01T10:38:22.594+05:302011-02-01T10:38:22.594+05:30Whats done is done Rest in Peace Vindhyagiri..., n...Whats done is done Rest in Peace Vindhyagiri..., now the important thing is to focus on aftermath. It was Capt. and crew of Nordlake who were utterly careless.<br /><br /><i>Vice-Admiral Sanjeev Bhasin, commander-in-chief of the Western Naval Command, told TOI on Monday, "We have investigated and it is clear that the Nordlakes crew is to blame. Vindhyagiri was returning from the sea with another vessel, MV Sea Eagle, when Nordlake was leaving the harbour. There was immense confusion between the crew of the Nordlake and the Sea Eagle. Finally the crew of the Nordlake panicked and turned the ship, ramming it the engine room and boiler of the Vindhyagiri, which was travelling at low speed. Her fuel tank also ruptured due to the impact.<br /><br />Bhasin said records of communication between the Nordlake and Sea Eagle show the confusion. "The two ships first wanted to pass to the left of each other. A few minutes later, they decided to pass to the right of each other. Again a decision was taken to pass to the left of each other. As they came closer, the Nordlake crew panicked and turned right. As a result, the ship rammed into the INS Vindhyagiri." </i><br />Source: TOI<br /><br />They have been charged with rash navigation, causing damage and endangering life of others.<br /><br />Now lets sue the hell out of the owners of Nordlake. Lets charge them for ship,punitive fine for ramming into a military vessel and endangering lives, the fire extinguishing bills and oil spill & environmental hazard control bills.Wik And Fablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02069069498945320864noreply@blogger.com