tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post7390656468427691561..comments2023-10-11T17:09:54.975+05:30Comments on LIVEFIST: [UPDATED] REPORT: Russia Snubs India, Cancels 2 Joint ExercisesShiv Aroorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03510476258643893433noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-6104221279718638012011-05-31T06:20:12.174+05:302011-05-31T06:20:12.174+05:30It is sad but unfortunately it looks like Russia i...It is sad but unfortunately it looks like Russia is heading downhill. As the USSR, it was a great nation, a military power whose citizens were disciplined and highly patriotic. Today, Russia can't go back to the past even though the leadership is severly nostalgic about it and they can't compete with the West either. The Russian leadership is still stuck in the cold war mentality. The Chinese leadership has shown great vision and character. The Indian leadership is nowhere to be found. We Indians have the right stuff, but tragically, after Independence we have never had the right leaders.<br />As Anon@8:23 said, its about the leadership, stupid. Nuff said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-72804873232103701262011-05-31T03:55:14.799+05:302011-05-31T03:55:14.799+05:30Relations with Russia have been on a decline since...Relations with Russia have been on a decline since the past few years. I guess India has realized it has better value in fostering partnerships with USA, and Europe. Its a buyers market. We have a long shopping list and we have the right to bargain in the market for the best deal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-43916214608396138062011-05-31T03:39:00.364+05:302011-05-31T03:39:00.364+05:30This news hardly registered on Russian press so I ...This news hardly registered on Russian press so I do not believe it to be a deliberate snub to India. <br /><br />People are being a little sensitive, if anything it is more an indicator of Russian military reform than a indicator of Russian-Indian relations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-3073744801703960792011-05-31T02:02:26.615+05:302011-05-31T02:02:26.615+05:30Post cold war politics seems to have turned much m...Post cold war politics seems to have turned much more complex than the cold war politics.<br /><br />However on the face value it can be said that now the Russians need the training from the Indians.Mr. Ranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-72388311400748136362011-05-30T22:16:13.251+05:302011-05-30T22:16:13.251+05:30Have the russian's heard about what is means ...Have the russian's heard about what is means with "Diggging ones own Grave" ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-10615061055001456102011-05-30T20:40:55.832+05:302011-05-30T20:40:55.832+05:30Anon 7.21 PM,
USSR was a superpower in the real se...Anon 7.21 PM,<br />USSR was a superpower in the real sense. Today Russia is a land of mafias, oligarchs, beggars and prostitutes. USSR was million times better than today's Russia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-33914724974167138992011-05-30T20:29:18.842+05:302011-05-30T20:29:18.842+05:30If Russia refuses to lease Akula then we must refu...If Russia refuses to lease Akula then we must refuse to purchase Groshkov and demand refund of our investments in these two boats. Without Akula it makes no sense to spend such huge money on an old accident prone dilapidated helicopter carrier masquerading as an aircraft carrier. Our own aircraft carrier is far more potent and half the cost of Groshkov. It's time Russia stopped taking us for granted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-3569584706283402142011-05-30T20:23:04.199+05:302011-05-30T20:23:04.199+05:30Anon 7.21PM,
Long ago the Germans gave us carbon ...Anon 7.21PM,<br /><br />Long ago the Germans gave us carbon composite tech for our space project. Today we have mastered this area so well that our "indigenous jet" Tejas's airframe is almost completely carbon composite. Tejas maybe the only jet in the world which has almost 100% composite airframe.Today this technology is barred for exports as it has dual applications. China till date does not have this technology.<br />The next area is that of remote sensing. We have mastered this technology and today we are earning billions by exporting remote sensing data.<br />Indians have the brains and that's why India is fast turning out to be the hub for global R&D. Ask GE, IBM, Accenture or EADS, Boeing who want to partner with ISRO.<br />We don't have a military industrial complex and this is the biggest barrier to our gaining self reliance in the area of defense. And the biggest impediments to developing a robust military industrial complex is our corruption, moribund socialist policies and nexus between extremely corrupt big business houses and our politicians who stymie any competition or entrant of new players. In other words the Govt of India is the biggest stumbling block to India realizing it's potential unlike China where the leadership is the reason why China has achieved such stellar heights in such short time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-55083158803203895212011-05-30T19:21:57.610+05:302011-05-30T19:21:57.610+05:30The USSR was a totalitarian dictatorship. Russia i...The USSR was a totalitarian dictatorship. Russia is a democracy.<br /><br />Why is it that the comments here seem to prefer the totalitarian dictatorship?<br /><br />India has little to no indigenous capability to build anything and have always depended on phoren arms imports. You have merely switched from one supplier to another supplier. I guarantee you that no one, not even the French will help you develop your own arms design and manufacturing capability. Any tech that they offer will be obsolete. At best, HAL will get some assembly work and then call it "indigenous". Such is the fate of all Indian "indigenization" efforts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-70216250538178399502011-05-30T17:32:21.798+05:302011-05-30T17:32:21.798+05:30It is a snub and an aggresive snub!:) 5 warships n...It is a snub and an aggresive snub!:) 5 warships now probably on their way back. <br /><br />We can't get belligerent, they have our INS TEG, Vikramadit... akula leases etc etc. So we need to be diplomatic but let them know tantrums such as these do not help the partnetship. Maybe PAKFA could be the last thing we ever work on.<br /><br />Go on then ruskies, partner with the Pakis they are a fun bunch or so we hear(NOT). NATO and the US seals can fill you in on the details.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-61201593169803899792011-05-30T16:56:17.285+05:302011-05-30T16:56:17.285+05:30Let them partner with Pakistan and China. China ha...Let them partner with Pakistan and China. China has duped them several times by purchasing few defense eqps and then reverse engg and mass producing that same product under a different Chinese name. J11 best example. These same jets or their clones will be sold to 3rd countries at a fraction of cost of original eqp. As far as Pakistan is concerned, it has no money. It is a country propped up by aid from USA and Arabian countries. It also sponsors and supports Islamic terrorists all over the world including Chechnya. So let Russia feed milk to the snake at the cost of it's own peril as USA has found out. 9/11 perpetrator was a Pakistani (Khalid Mohammad), Osama just gave his blessings to this project.<br />Whereas India respects business contracts and violation of patent and copyrights are taken as serious breach of law. India is also one of the emerging economic and military superpowers which is being wooed by almost all the major powers. Russia looking at India thru it's Soviet era lenses will only harm it's own interests. It still hankers for the good old cold war days when it used to be one of the two superpowers. If it is trying to resurrect the old order by tying up with leftist countries like Venezuela, Cuba and China. Today China's emerging superpower status is solely due to it's huge trade surplus with western countries. The rise of China is purely due to cheap labor who are treated little better than slaves. It is not due to innovation and healthy internal market. If the THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK thru sanctions due to "human rights abuses in China", then all this prosperity will evaporate within few months.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-72074334025849484512011-05-30T16:22:32.166+05:302011-05-30T16:22:32.166+05:30If any of you people believe this supposed "s...If any of you people believe this supposed "snub" is nothing more then sensationalist nonsense covering up a complex relationship, then you are either stupid or naive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-80258802151153698792011-05-30T15:46:00.113+05:302011-05-30T15:46:00.113+05:30From now we should be carefull becaz Russians have...From now we should be carefull becaz Russians have welcomed Paki pm and offered weapons and now this snubAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-32734498795687883802011-05-30T13:16:47.270+05:302011-05-30T13:16:47.270+05:30Cut Throttle -- Russia!
I've been saying for...Cut Throttle -- Russia!<br /><br />I've been saying for years that Russia is a no-good partner. India had better get over its colonialist mind-set now, at least, and learn to embrace the West at last. India's salvation is in partnering with the West in all things -- commerce, trade, education, and military.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-89328269890714580432011-05-30T12:28:08.807+05:302011-05-30T12:28:08.807+05:30Perhaps this will get it through to some Indians a...Perhaps this will get it through to some Indians and Pakistanis, nations have no friends, only interests. When there is talk of friendship it is only a temporary similarity in interests and needs. <br /><br />No two nations will ever have the same needs and interests, their will always be clashes. That is the point in foreign policy and treaties.godanovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12261539784666661706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-47872673636553681842011-05-30T10:40:07.544+05:302011-05-30T10:40:07.544+05:30The breaking of long standing friendship between I...The breaking of long standing friendship between India and Russia will be very advantageous to India especially towards achieving more self reliance and options to buy more american/ european military hardware.<br /><br />Nice thing that they have made the first move.mathi mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-89605562706303040002011-05-30T09:36:59.122+05:302011-05-30T09:36:59.122+05:30India wants to build relations with no one however...India wants to build relations with no one however India must realize its present strength lies with its past relations with Russia and are not yet strong to venture alone in any sphereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-19810301076130052072011-05-30T09:01:25.146+05:302011-05-30T09:01:25.146+05:30अपने देश में रिजर्वेशन को सही तरीके से लागू किया ज...अपने देश में रिजर्वेशन को सही तरीके से लागू किया जाये. आर्मी में भी तभी हम दूसरे देशों की सेनाओं का मुकाबला कर सकते हैं.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-92225513135842099522011-05-30T07:55:09.069+05:302011-05-30T07:55:09.069+05:30Damn look at the differences in uniforms......look...Damn look at the differences in uniforms......look at what the Indian soldier lacks.....when are we going to get it right?Timmy P.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-15127760554911304092011-05-30T07:17:35.259+05:302011-05-30T07:17:35.259+05:30It is high time India realizes that Russia is a ne...It is high time India realizes that Russia is a new capitalistic entity unlike the USSR of bygone days.We shower praises on Russia for agreeing to sell us aircraft carriers, submarines and tanks but still do not realize that most of the items sold are not top notch, cutting edge technology. Even those sold with socalled TOT are languishing because of unavailablity of parts or poor quality. <br /><br />We are not a poodle country like the Porkis. We are a soverign nation and as such should do everything that is in our favour. Those cry-babies who throw temper tantrums should only be given a lollypop now and then to appease them. We should not throw billions of dollars in any of their defence industries just to prop them up. <br /><br />The 5th generation FGFA deal is one which is fraught with uncertainty, slippages, cost overruns, arm-twisting and outright greed. GOI and MOD should have the guts to put their foot down and even threaten to take their business to other friendly nations.<br /><br />Just don't give in bullies and modern day mafia businessmen.the terminatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-28559351408928707302011-05-30T06:47:42.948+05:302011-05-30T06:47:42.948+05:30while there is no need for panic button, as the re...while there is no need for panic button, as the reaction might be to the sequencial snubs India gave them in the form of MMRCA rejection, delegation level attack, open tender for spares etc. but there needs to be cautious reactions. Russians are not as professional as the west and emotional response indeed could be real too.<br />Russia is no USSR, we need to keep the relation going as both benefit from the relations. It is very natural that when one partner weakens other will consolidate more powers, and India just did that.<br />No need to worry if china will get benefitted by Russia, as for Russia, China is a threat unlike India which is just an unpredictable partner.<br /><br />We have to have an open, a typical Indian (understanding emotions is our strength) discussion with the Russians. We need not look everything through the spectrum of commerce. Not saying we show loyalty for ever, but misunderstandings could be certainly ironed out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-70608876243903650432011-05-30T06:44:43.093+05:302011-05-30T06:44:43.093+05:30This comment has been removed by the author.vydya.areyurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09072765452321288996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-67859282984857931942011-05-30T02:20:54.616+05:302011-05-30T02:20:54.616+05:30Russia by these actions is showing great and in-ex...Russia by these actions is showing great and in-excusable disrespect toward India, which is a serious matter. The GOI has to seriously re-think and draft a new policy for dealing with Russia as it is today. The old relation is history. India should re-commit itself vigorously toward self-reliance as she prepares to step on to the World stage where she will not find well-wishers but only ruthless competitors. Jai HindAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-57294811659956712912011-05-30T02:14:07.771+05:302011-05-30T02:14:07.771+05:30How does Russia treat its former vassal states tha...How does Russia treat its former vassal states that formed the USSR, like Ukraine and Poland ?? How does Russian deal with Europe especially in energy trade?? Their behaviour in these relationships indicate the thinking in Kremlin. <br /><br />India should discard the notion of having a 'buddy' like relationship with any country, now that India aspires to be a super power. If any country hopes to be a real super-power, then it has to be self-reliant and self-sufficient in all areas of development, including society, technology, military and space capability, health, and of course food. This is reality. <br /><br />Welcome to the big league, where its every dog for itself!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6050542.post-22442422521958205172011-05-30T02:05:04.173+05:302011-05-30T02:05:04.173+05:30Thanks Russia...you may just succeeded in getting ...Thanks Russia...you may just succeeded in getting Indian Private-Public cooperation in the defence sector to lift off. Its about time , we need to go for EFT which will help our domestic industry.Timmy P.noreply@blogger.com